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    Greentongue, Unfortunately when you are told from birth that you can achieve greatness and you just have to apply yourself (unless you are black, gay or otherwise not white male) then playing something that is the very antithesis of US white male society is not going to go down well. Similarly for other games that came out of the California of the 70's like Runequest. It too has a bigger following in Europe (per head of population) than it does in the US just like EPT (and it's variants).

    When you are using your RPG to examine alternative social experiences you can't hope to have everyone fit right in. There are any number of social experiments that fail because the participants don't have an amenable mindset.

    This is why D&D with it's murderhobo game style appeals to a US culture that seems (to some) to be fixated on guns and violence. Look how the US treats any expression of differing sexual mores. Repression of the creative side of humanity by some of the appalling attempts to turn the US back to a medieval culture with lack of decent healthcare (how may RPG authors are having to use FundMe campaigns to raise funds for life saving health care). Take a look at how female reproductive health is being undermined by removing funding from clinics catering to that aspect . Look how funding for arts and culture (already much lower than many countries) is being removed to support a xenophobic wall. You might wonder why people who enjoy RPG's are turned off by some games - it's drilled in to them from an early age that being white and male is your ticket to nirvana. Then take a look at how many deaths there are from nut jobs going on the rampage compared to muslim terror attacks. With one real exception (9/11) there are more Americans killed by other Americans than foreigners of any religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    these are color-coded by religion, the same as were Phil's index cards
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    not gods, but on speaking terms with them.
    It seems evident that religion and temples are nigh-omnipresent parts of daily life in Tekumel, but what about the actual gods? Are they distant entities, known only by the magic they provide and perhaps an occasional revelation to a high priest? Do they take on human form purely for the sake of hanging out on street corners and chatting with whoever might wander past? I assume it's somewhere in between, but where, on that broad spectrum, does it tend to land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes Serpent View Post
    Greentongue, Unfortunately when you are told from birth that you can achieve greatness and you just have to apply yourself (unless you are black, gay or otherwise not white male) then playing something that is the very antithesis of US white male society is not going to go down well.
    While I don't disagree, I don't want to start a conversation of that in this thread. Politics gets "messy" fast these days.
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    The society and its aspects are what makes Tekumel, Tekumel. Not everyone will like it.

    This is a feature, not a bug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nDervish View Post
    It seems evident that religion and temples are nigh-omnipresent parts of daily life in Tekumel, but what about the actual gods? Are they distant entities, known only by the magic they provide and perhaps an occasional revelation to a high priest? Do they take on human form purely for the sake of hanging out on street corners and chatting with whoever might wander past? I assume it's somewhere in between, but where, on that broad spectrum, does it tend to land?
    In my experience, over on the high priest side. They don't really provide any magic; as I've mentioned, they are not what we would consider 'divine beings' but are greatly more advanced beings then we are. I never saw any of them take on human form and chat with the passerby; they seemed to have no interest in such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    There is a noticeable shortage of Tekumel movies and the few books are hard to get copies of so, forgive me if I don't have an abundance of "authentic" details.
    This leads back to the "in depth study of the setting" before any gaming can happen.
    While the payoff may be great, the same effort in pseudomedieval fantasy goes a long way and the ease of finding players make it seem a better investment.

    chirine's book will be an oasis in the desert of details. (I expect) May make things easier.
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    May I respectfully differ about useful movies? I've touched on this a while back, with films that Phil enjoyed and suggested as a pathway into his creation:

    "Thief of Baghdad", "Sign of the Cross", "Thief of Baghdad", any number of sword and sandal epics, "Ben Hur", amongst others. The recent "John Carter" is also good. I think that what Gronan was suggesting were 'adventure' movies, and not literal ones.

    Barsoom has the same investment and payoff ratios as well, in my opinion, as would the Lord Meren series.

    As for my book, I don't know; ask the folks on this thread who haver asked to look at it, and managed to read through it. I'm just too close to it, I'm afraid. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    The society and its aspects are what makes Tekumel, Tekumel. Not everyone will like it.

    This is a feature, not a bug.
    My perception is that the issue currently in play is that Phil assumed that players and GMs would be able to do social interactions between themselves and NPCs without having to legislate them via the rules. What you and I did, back in the day, and what I was doing in the TFT campaign Saturday, seems to now require formal rules for doing so, in order to enable people to simulate / replicate our gaming experiences. I don't know if that's even possible, or how I can communicate that kind of game-play to people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    While I don't disagree, I don't want to start a conversation of that in this thread. Politics gets "messy" fast these days.
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    Thanks Greentongue, I second this.
    Too many threads have become derailed on this forum by going off topic and turning into an abortion. Leave the real world issues in the real world, AFAIC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    While I don't disagree, I don't want to start a conversation of that in this thread. Politics gets "messy" fast these days.
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    That's what T�kumel is all about... sorting out those political messes, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GameDaddy View Post
    That's what T�kumel is all about... sorting out those political messes, lol.
    From what I can tell, above ground, the "messes" are sorted out with tact and civility.
    Below ground, and in our "Real World" far less civility is used.

    I guess that is part of the "problem" we need to do social interactions via rules in Tekumel as maybe we have mostly forgotten/discarded now in "Real Life".
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