Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal

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Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Yes, very much so. The lineages are traced through both parents, in all directions, so it does get pretty complex. Generally, the specific lineage is often the most 'noble' and 'senior' one that the person can trace, but not always. Ito are pretty stock and standard, in their North and South factions; the Tlakotani have the 'regular' and 'imperial' lineages; the Vriddi are very different and more complex, with both ancient Nlyuss and modern Tsolyani lineages; they tend to have elaborate lists in order to keep them straight. To be 'a Vriddi of the Vriddi' is to be of the oldest and most noble of their lineages.

I don't know if Phil included these terms in the Tsolyani language books, but I'll look after I'm finished with the convention show.

Thanks for the reply, but I'm still kind of confused I always thought that all members of the above mentioned clans went only by the clan name ...hiTlakotani, hiVriddi, hiIto.
If, for example, my character were named Serqu hiVriddi, would he be a "Vriddi of the Vriddi?" And if he were named Serqu hiVu�unavu would he introduce himself as such, and add " of the Vriddi Clan" (Serqu hiVu�unavu, hiVriddi), or would it be understood by all that he was a Vriddi based upon the fact that the lineage is known to be associated with the clan?

Shemek

Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel

Thanks for the reply, but I'm still kind of confused I always thought that all members of the above mentioned clans went only by the clan name ...hiTlakotani, hiVriddi, hiIto.
If, for example, my character were named Serqu hiVriddi, would he be a "Vriddi of the Vriddi?" And if he were named Serqu hiVu’unavu would he introduce himself as such, and add " of the Vriddi Clan" (Serqu hiVu’unavu, hiVriddi), or would it be understood by all that he was a Vriddi based upon the fact that the lineage is known to be associated with the clan?

Shemek

Actually, you're not confused. Normally, the first time you'd meet somebody they would be introduced by their name, their lineage, and their clan - often with where they are from. So, your man would be introduced to me either as Serqu hi Vriddi of the Vriddi clan of Fasiltum, which tells me (or my majordomo) that this guy is a very high status person - especially if he's got the famous Vriddi hawk-nose. He's a Vriddi of the Vriddi, and he'd also be wearing his clan glyphs and have a pretty arrogant attitude. Of, he'd be introduced as Serqu hi Vu'unavu, of the Vriddi clan of Butrus, and I'd know instantly that this is the western branch of the clan ands that this guy is descended from some Mu'uglavyani who married into the central clan at some point in the long and turbulent history of the clan. Again, he'd be wearing his clan glyphs, and we'd get all this information the first time we'd met.

Likewise, I would give the same information for myself, and we'd both know what our social relationship was instantly from all that.

Does any of this help?

Saturday and Sunday's display, with a slight change of scene to help Registration out:

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Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Actually, you're not confused. Normally, the first time you'd meet somebody they would be introduced by their name, their lineage, and their clan - often with where they are from. So, your man would be introduced to me either as Serqu hi Vriddi of the Vriddi clan of Fasiltum, which tells me (or my majordomo) that this guy is a very high status person - especially if he's got the famous Vriddi hawk-nose. He's a Vriddi of the Vriddi, and he'd also be wearing his clan glyphs and have a pretty arrogant attitude. Of, he'd be introduced as Serqu hi Vu'unavu, of the Vriddi clan of Butrus, and I'd know instantly that this is the western branch of the clan ands that this guy is descended from some Mu'uglavyani who married into the central clan at some point in the long and turbulent history of the clan. Again, he'd be wearing his clan glyphs, and we'd get all this information the first time we'd met.

Likewise, I would give the same information for myself, and we'd both know what our social relationship was instantly from all that.

Does any of this help?

Ok, I get it now. Up until quite recently I had thought that there were no distinct lineages in the Tlakotani, Vriddi and Ito, that everyone was "just" ...hi Vriddi, or ...hi Tlakotani, etc., and that distinct inter-clan lineages were "just known" by the insiders and not distinctly identified by name. The Tekumel.com website identifies two Fasiltum/Vriddi lineages: the Vravodaya, and the Vu�unavu. It was the discovery of these that got me wondering about the whole Vriddi lineages thing.

Thanks again for clarifying this point!

Shemek

The name Vravodaya makes me think of someone who gives you rope...
Did the Vriddi ancestors give rope to their enemies so they'd hang themselves, I wonder?

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Yep...

It's a trend, Uncle, I'm telling you!

Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel

Ok, I get it now. Up until quite recently I had thought that there were no distinct lineages in the Tlakotani, Vriddi and Ito, that everyone was "just" ...hi Vriddi, or ...hi Tlakotani, etc., and that distinct inter-clan lineages were "just known" by the insiders and not distinctly identified by name. The Tekumel.com website identifies two Fasiltum/Vriddi lineages: the Vravodaya, and the Vu’unavu. It was the discovery of these that got me wondering about the whole Vriddi lineages thing.

Thanks again for clarifying this point!

Shemek

You are most welcome! Happy to help! If you have a look at the Tekumel group over on Yahoo, Alva Hardison has built up a huge database of names, lineages, and clans from all the Tekumel sources; it's very, very useful!

Originally Posted by AsenRG

The name Vravodaya makes me think of someone who gives you rope...
Did the Vriddi ancestors give rope to their enemies so they'd hang themselves, I wonder?

It's a trend, Uncle, I'm telling you!

Probably, given their long and usually violent history. Wouldn't surprise me.

Agreed!

I had a rather disturbing incident at the convention, over the weekend. The Tekumel programming track, ably put together by Brett Slocum (he's the guy who runs the Yahoo group, by the way) was steaming along very well with lots of great games, and I was very happy to see all the interest being shown by quite a few of the 1,300+ people at the convention. One of the GMs, who was in our group out at Phil's, made some sort of comment that Phil, as a devout Muslim, would not have approved of the GM as he's a gay person. I think the intent was trying to show that Phil kept his faith separate from his gaming, and was - I think - meant in a positive sense. I had two issues with this statement: 1), the guy being gay had not come up out at Phil's at the time, and 2) anybody who knew Phil and his faith would know that this statement is - to be polite - wildly inaccurate. It wasn't an issue for Phil, and he simply did not care what other people did - as long as they didn't try to force him to subscribe to their political or similar positions. (Like one guy did with with the issue of the LGBTQ right to marry.)

I thought that the comment was inappropriate to the game convention setting, inaccurate regarding the Professor, and aimed more at building up the GM's status with his associates in the LGBTQ culture. He's done this kind of thing before - he's the one who announced that I had "persecuted" his PC for being gay - and the adventure that he had written and was running at the time was more or less a political manifesto for LGBTQ rights.

I found it all pretty disturbing, given my own experiences with Phil; my daughter, who is an LGBTQ activist (Amnesty International in Zurich) also found it odd.

Other then that, had a great weekend; report to follow!

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

You are most welcome! Happy to help! If you have a look at the Tekumel group over on Yahoo, Alva Hardison has built up a huge database of names, lineages, and clans from all the Tekumel sources; it's very, very useful!

Thanks once again Chirine!
This is very good, and will come in handy. She sure put in a tonne of work on this database. Found another Vriddi lineage after just a quick scan.

Shemek.