Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal

Originally Posted by AsenRG

I'm into careful statements, Uncle! Sometimes that reads as understatement.
What can I say? One can't commit too much, lest one's actions reflect negatively upon the honour of one's clan...
That's why last year's incident is an incident! I wonder why people still come to me with demands to repeat what I did as a result of hastily said words!
I mean, I understand they have the same issue, but seriously, now, what do you think I am? Some kind of adventurer?
That's why I've been into careful statements, lately!


What we know has just been added to!
And I'm not even going to ask how good of a fit he was for the role.


Those people in your area have finally begun to see wisdom, and no doubt would profit from your experience!


I think Gronan is most sorry he didn't think of the TCG paradigm himself...


Smart players recognise a good Patron when they see one!


As long as they're not a Picasso, it should all be fine!
And well, my logic was simple. If your free lead is Herself's and you have paints and the know-how, why not order a mini the customer picks and do a painting session?
Just a thought, as I said.

Still funny, though...

He was very good indeed; he loved the historical period, didn't like the Franks at all, and played the role to the hilt.

I hope so; at least they seem to be amused by my stories...

I think so; they were very impressed by their welcome, and are looking to repay the favor. Which is good; Djel has her coming-of-age ceremony, and the Higborn Djullanar has her enthronement, both coming up on the social calender; we're hiring as many mercenaries as we can, just in case. Mayhem will ensure, I suspect.

Ah, I need to be more clear, here. I've been at this miniatures thing for some forty years, and I have a huge assortment of miniatures that I've gotten in during my e-bay days as large lots; I'd have to buy the lot to get the particular figure I needed / wanted, and the net result is that I have a massive pile of unpainted metal that I frankly will never paint. (I do not need a set of D&D-style 'city guards', for example.) The figures that I got the Missus are not part of my collection, and are strictly untouchable - she does check them, every now and then, just to keep a finger on the pulse. (As it were.) My thought was to get the metal pile back into the hobby with the paint-and-take sessions.

I don't want to get into ordering figures for people; it's a cash outlay that I can't afford. If people dropped by and wanted to sit in on a painting session, using their own figures, I'd love that. I just don't to have anything to do with the 'commercial' side of the hobby; been there, done that, never want to do it again. I paint figures for my friends, like the ones I did for Kyrinn Eis for her NTRPG game session; that's a friend helping out a friend. And my kids helped with that project, too, which really meant a lot to her.

Originally Posted by Greentongue

It is interesting how many people are following my game on "Original D&D Discussion" yet nobody leaves feedback, good or bad.

I feel blessed that so many are, just interesting the lack of comments.
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Is that the 'ODD74' board? I think they dropped the EPT section; mostly due to a lack of interest. I could quite understand that; it is a D&D board, after all...

EDIT: I'm wrong; they still have the EPT section, it's just further down the page. Some nice things said about TSTPT, too.

Originally Posted by Dulahan

What you two did there... I see it!

Well done. I appreciate good puns!

Which leads to a sudden question inspiration! How do the Tsolyani and other members of the five empires view Puns? Are they considered high wit? Groan and roll eyes like modern English? Keys to poetry like some languages I've studied? (If it's addressed in Swords and Glory, I've long forgotten)

Phil loved puns, the more literate the better. I don't recall him every doing any in Tsolyani, and I don't recall it ever coming up in-game. I don't think there's anything in S&G I, but I'll look.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

He was very good indeed; he loved the historical period, didn't like the Franks at all, and played the role to the hilt.

Unsurprising, that... I mean, who liked Franks, except other Franks (and usually not even most of those)?

I think so; they were very impressed by their welcome, and are looking to repay the favor. Which is good; Djel has her coming-of-age ceremony, and the Higborn Djullanar has her enthronement, both coming up on the social calender; we're hiring as many mercenaries as we can, just in case. Mayhem will ensure, I suspect.

Somehow, I think "suspect" might be the wrong word, here!
Mayhem will ensue. It's statistics!

Ah, I need to be more clear, here. I've been at this miniatures thing for some forty years, and I have a huge assortment of miniatures that I've gotten in during my e-bay days as large lots; I'd have to buy the lot to get the particular figure I needed / wanted, and the net result is that I have a massive pile of unpainted metal that I frankly will never paint. (I do not need a set of D&D-style 'city guards', for example.) The figures that I got the Missus are not part of my collection, and are strictly untouchable - she does check them, every now and then, just to keep a finger on the pulse. (As it were.) My thought was to get the metal pile back into the hobby with the paint-and-take sessions.

Okay, I misunderstood the situation...
And yes, scratch the ordering, keep the paint-and-take sessions. I mean, you're a miniature gamer, and you like painting those - it should be a win-win!
Worst case scenario, you announce you're out of stock, and stop the whole endeavour.
Of course, you know best if it's doable, I've got distance working against my judgement.

Originally Posted by AsenRG

Unsurprising, that... I mean, who liked Franks, except other Franks (and usually not even most of those)?

Somehow, I think "suspect" might be the wrong word, here!
Mayhem will ensue. It's statistics!

Okay, I misunderstood the situation...
And yes, scratch the ordering, keep the paint-and-take sessions. I mean, you're a miniature gamer, and you like painting those - it should be a win-win!
Worst case scenario, you announce you're out of stock, and stop the whole endeavour.
Of course, you know best if it's doable, I've got distance working against my judgement.

True; the history of Outremer is rife with all sorts of stuff that makes "Game of Thrones" look timid and restrained in comparison.

Agreed; I am really looking forward to running that particular game!

Gotcha! No problem. There is no market for unpainted figures in bulk hereabouts, and not much of one for painted figures either. Miniatures have to be, it seems, painted by one of the 'name' commercial artists - who do some wonderful work, by the way; see my blog - and in some way 'collectable' to have much value.

Shrug. I just play with the things, and paint them for the fun of it...

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

True; the history of Outremer is rife with all sorts of stuff that makes "Game of Thrones" look timid and restrained in comparison.

Or as somebody else said around here somewhere, "The 14th Century, like Game of Thrones without the warm and cuddly parts."

And yes, I very much wish I'd thought of collectable card games. Hate them as a gamer, love them as marketing. Uncle Chirine and I would have retired to some balmy tropical isle with our respective families by now. "Peel me a grape, would you, Kyalein?"

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

True; the history of Outremer is rife with all sorts of stuff that makes "Game of Thrones" look timid and restrained in comparison.

Yeah, and even those that didn't even get to the Holy Lands managed to distinguish themselves...in the wrong way.

Agreed; I am really looking forward to running that particular game!

Keep us updated about what happens, Uncle!

Gotcha! No problem. There is no market for unpainted figures in bulk hereabouts, and not much of one for painted figures either. Miniatures have to be, it seems, painted by one of the 'name' commercial artists - who do some wonderful work, by the way; see my blog - and in some way 'collectable' to have much value.

Shrug. I just play with the things, and paint them for the fun of it...

You really live in a weird place, Uncle. And I don't mean Tekumel, that part I can understand much more easily...
(Being a snob in Tekumel makes sense, it identifies you as someone who can afford it. Being a snob in 21st century USA makes much less sense to me. But that attitude towards "name" commercial artists is nothing if not snobbish...)

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

Or as somebody else said around here somewhere, "The 14th Century, like Game of Thrones without the warm and cuddly parts."

That's a good one!

And yes, I very much wish I'd thought of collectable card games. Hate them as a gamer, love them as marketing.

Yeah, I remember that from upthread. Unless it was another thread, I'm not sure and ultimately, it doesn't matter...

Uncle Chirine and I would have retired to some balmy tropical isle with our respective families by now. "Peel me a grape, would you, Kyalein?"

Yeah, I can see how the world would have been a better place for it.

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

Or as somebody else said around here somewhere, "The 14th Century, like Game of Thrones without the warm and cuddly parts."

And yes, I very much wish I'd thought of collectable card games. Hate them as a gamer, love them as marketing. Uncle Chirine and I would have retired to some balmy tropical isle with our respective families by now. "Peel me a grape, would you, Kyalein?"

Agreed!

And the whole 'collectable' marketing thing leaves me cold. Like the PPP figures from WotC; they were really delighted with the sales, until somebody in the office compared retail and wholesale; turned out that the biggest buyers of the figures were not gamers, but resellers who'd buy up huge piles of figures and then break up the randomized 'collector packs' and sell the individual figures to games - just like the miniatures hobby had been doing for decades, quite successfully.

Sigh. Ain't no new ways to make a wheel...

From AsenRG:
Yeah, and even those that didn't even get to the Holy Lands managed to distinguish themselves...in the wrong way.

That's the truth. They were some of the least polite people I can think of. Most gamers have no idea who Eleanor of Aquitane was, and why she got kicked out of the Crusade she was supposed to be part of. Give how her later career and family life went, I'm not surprised that Louis sent her packing...

Keep us updated about what happens, Uncle!

I will; it'll be a romp, for sure.

You really live in a weird place, Uncle. And I don't mean Tekumel, that part I can understand much more easily...
(Being a snob in Tekumel makes sense, it identifies you as someone who can afford it. Being a snob in 21st century USA makes much less sense to me. But that attitude towards "name" commercial artists is nothing if not snobbish...)

There's always been a certain dynamic tension between miniatures gamers who actually use figures on the table and the figure collectors who keep their miniatures in the display case. It's like the dichotomy in model railways between 'collectors' and 'operators'; I am one of the latter, and regarded with some bewilderment and distrust by the former. (O'course, I'm also considered odd by Yankee model railroaders, 'cause I model God's Wonderful Railway in OO - heck, even some of my fellow modelers in my club think I'm daft, but then they are all LMS and LNER types.)

That's a good one!

Yep. Quite the truth.

Yeah, I can see how the world would have been a better place for it.

The gaming hobby would have been very different, that's for sure...

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Most gamers have no idea who Eleanor of Aquitane was, and why she got kicked out of the Crusade she was supposed to be part of.

"But the troops were dazzled!"

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

There's always been a certain dynamic tension between miniatures gamers who actually use figures on the table and the figure collectors who keep their miniatures in the display case.

Collectors always struck me as a bit of an odd duck. "Here's the rubber JFK wore when he screwed Marilyn Monroe!" Well, yeah, but here's the rubber I wore when I screwed Marilyn Monroe...

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

I model God's Wonderful Railway in OO

* toasts Isambard Kingdom Brunel *