Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal

Originally Posted by AsenRG

Well, surely they have heard about the game those two designed, so you can replace the names with "the guys who designed D&D back before D&D existed"?
Of course, I'd understand the Major if he didn't want to play with people who lack interest in history...


And the best part is when people don't listen, but then they wonder about repeating the same mistakes over and over.

1. Nope; didn't work. If it ain't Mike Mearls or another WotC person, it ain't. There is no D&D before WotC, just like there is no miniatures gaming before GW.

2. He'll play with anybody with half a brain. The issue is trying to get people to understand what their being offered.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

1) Tip the guard while asking if they know of a good place to stay while one is in town. They'll get a commission, and you'll get in without hassle.

2) Buy something anyway, and ask for advice on what you really need. The merchant will appreciate your thoughtfulness, and will get a 'finder's fee' from the other merchant. They'll be much more interested in helping you.

3. Tip the clerk. The clerk will slip the document in with the expense vouchers, and you'll get what you need this afternoon. A polite thank you to the official, with a little gift, will also help out.

In my time, simply being 'social' was always the best way to deal with people. One does not simply walk into a shop and plunk down the cash; one arrives, is greeted and made comfortable, served refreshments, and a pleasant conversation is had about the weather, local festivals, one's relatives, anbd then eventually business may be done. it's all very low key and low-pressure, and something that a lot of gamers simply can't get their heads around. like haggling - see also "Casablanca"...

Thanks Chirine! In my last game session the guys ran into 2 of the above situations and really muffed it. Ended up getting fleeced and making really stupid decisions. I was practically spoon feeding them at one point in the game. Strange, must have been something in the beer, as they all are very experienced players. One of those forest for the trees nights I guess.

Shemek

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Yep. Same here.

Me too, last summer when I was talking to a 19? year old gamer. His exact words were "Who's that?" and his response after I told him was "Oh..."

Shemek

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

1. Nope; didn't work. If it ain't Mike Mearls or another WotC person, it ain't. There is no D&D before WotC, just like there is no miniatures gaming before GW.

2. He'll play with anybody with half a brain. The issue is trying to get people to understand what their being offered.

Well, if we go by what Gronan saiys, that might be too high of a requirement!

More seriously, he has to explain what he's offering. I see how modesty might be an impediment to this, but then I also managed to overcome it!

Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel

Thanks Chirine! In my last game session the guys ran into 2 of the above situations and really muffed it. Ended up getting fleeced and making really stupid decisions. I was practically spoon feeding them at one point in the game. Strange, must have been something in the beer, as they all are very experienced players. One of those forest for the trees nights I guess.

Shemek

You're welcome! This sort of thing became a reflex with us in Phil's campaign - see also "Chirine, you've gone native."

Give it time; they'll get it.

Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel

Me too, last summer when I was talking to a 19? year old gamer. His exact words were "Who's that?" and his response after I told him was "Oh..."

Shemek

Yep. I get the same thing.

Originally Posted by Hermes Serpent

The UK might be as small as Minnesota but the roads are to scale and with 64 million people driving 35 million cars the traffic density is such that speeds are low and the time to travel anywhere is longer with each passing year. The time to travel 234 miles to the next convention i'm attending will be 4 hours, much of it on motorways/freeways where 50mph is often the best speed one can hope for. It takes me 40 minutes to do the less than 20 miles to the local hospital for an appointment so local travel along single lane roads is a big handicap to going anywhere round here.

Agreed; I was being obscure, and what I should have said was that the population density of gamers is much lower here in the Midwest - probably higher on the East Coast. Gary Con is the nearest large (750-900+ people) at six hours away, a large miniatures event (500+) in Chicago at eight hours away. Locally, the single game convention has finally broken the 400+ barrier, but once again if one does not play the name brand games one does not play. It's very hard to get players for anything not 'name brand'; I think if we had a larger and more 'gaming-diverse' population, the good Major would get more players.

It's like at Gary Con, where the games starring the big names from TSR always sell out instantly - more of that 'name' and 'brand' recognition going on.

Sorry to hear about the traffic issues, by the way; I enjoyed driving over there during our visits. Rural driving was an eye-opener; motorways not so much.

Originally Posted by Greentongue

Entire generations have grown up with "instant" commerce and cannot relate to taking time and socializing.
So, if you include that, they don't relate to it and the game is "boring".
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Ah! That's my problem!