Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal

Originally Posted by AsenRG

From this point of view, Uncle, your decision is certainly the best!

Yep; it's a constant concern, which is why I do so little out in the big wide world. Any severe headaches get old - and terrifying! - especially as they may be the signal that I'm having a brain bleed.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Yep; it's a constant concern, which is why I do so little out in the big wide world. Any severe headaches get old - and terrifying! - especially as they may be the signal that I'm having a brain bleed.

I'm starting to fully support your seclusion, Uncle! Nothing more that I can tell.

I'm sure you've been recommended meditation already by well-wishers, so I won't recommend it!

Originally Posted by Greentongue

Is there a good source you know of for what these posts, positions, titles, ranks, and decorations could be?
(For us less "worldly" hicks.)
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Seconded, it would be good to have a list...

I use "Singh of (location)" for martial prowess without being formal part of the army, "Thakur or Thakore of (location)" (male and female variant) for being granted the rights to extract the taxes of the place, Rawat for appointed vice-governors, Vali for tand so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honora...Indian_leaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...in_Afghanistan
These can also serve as inspiration, and are close geographically.

Chirine,

I was wondering, what colour would you recommend for painting Yan Koryani armour?

Shemek.

Originally Posted by Greentongue

Is there a good source you know of for what these posts, positions, titles, ranks, and decorations could be?
(For us less "worldly" hicks.)
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Forgive my ignorance, but I would have thought that this kind of thing would already be on-line as part of the introductory materials that I would have expected to see available for new GMs and players. If not, I'd suggest S&G I fort his kind of thing as a best source; "Mitlanyal" has temple information, I think, and there are all of the articles that Phil did that are up - I think - on DriveThruRPG, and are a lot of the source materials that "Mitlanyal" uses. Phil's "Tsolyani Language" also has the specific words for various ranks and titles, too. There may be more in his "Engsvanyali" book, but I'd have to check.

I'd also fall back on the cultures that Phil had studied: Ancient Egypt, Meso-America, Mughal India, and medieval Europe. There's heaps of good stuff in there!

As an example, let's look at my laundry list of goodies.

Lord Chirine ba Kal,
of the Clan of the Eye of Flame and of the Clan of the Iron Helm,
Kasi of the Legion of the Searing Flame and Kasi of the Legion of M'nashu of Thri'il
Governor of the City and Province of Hekellu, Warden of the Chagari Protectorate,
Tenth Circle Master of the Energies of the Temple of Vimuhla,
Holder of the Gold of Imperial Victory and the Gold of Glory,
Beloved of the Petal Throne

'Lord' is from a patent of nobility from the Imperium, granted after Prince Mirusiya got three million in steel; the dual clan titles are my 'birth clan' and 'adopted clan'; my Imperial military ranks, as my mercenary rank is not socially acceptable in Tsolyanu; my civil posts from when I had to take over from Lord Takodai; my temple rank; my decorations for not screwing up two battles; and an honorific that looks nice, has a very small stipend, and means that I was an errand boy for the Imperium and lived to tell about it - the 'unclassified' parts, that is.

Speaking of stipends, the military and temple ranks do bring in some pay; the civil ones do not, since I don't hold them any more. The decorations had one-time payments. I don't think I ever see the stipends anymore, actually; I think they go right to the clans as my 'membership dues' in them. I do get a nice letter from both on my nameday, thanking me for being such a good solid member of the clan and wishing me and my family all the best for the coming year.

I also have some 'local rank' out in the Nyemesel Isles, relating to my being their hired mercenary general, but I don't get a stipend from that; I draw my legion pay from All-Consuming Flame, and live on that. I get room and board, plus uniforms, from the Legion, so I don't need all that much in cash these days. In the best Tekumelyani fashion, most of the family is also on the legion's payroll, so I don't have to worry about them.

Does any of this help? It's such a huge subject; I'm not sure how to address it in detail.

Originally Posted by AsenRG

I'm starting to fully support your seclusion, Uncle! Nothing more that I can tell.

I'm sure you've been recommended meditation already by well-wishers, so I won't recommend it!

Seconded, it would be good to have a list...

I use "Singh of (location)" for martial prowess without being formal part of the army, "Thakur or Thakore of (location)" (male and female variant) for being granted the rights to extract the taxes of the place, Rawat for appointed vice-governors, Vali for tand so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honora...Indian_leaders
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...in_Afghanistan
These can also serve as inspiration, and are close geographically.

Thank you for your understanding! I like it quiet, with having good friends in to talk about things when they want to drop by.

See the previous reply. It's such a huge topic; I've barely touched on it.

Yes, what you said; this is what Phil did. He just translated from Pashtun to Tsolyani - in his head, on the fly. He really was that good.

Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel

Chirine,

I was wondering, what colour would you recommend for painting Yan Koryani armour?

Shemek.

Ah! Well, back in Ye Olden Dayes I used Pactra Flat Green as the basecoat, and Pactra Jade Green as the overcoat as the glossy translucent paint looked really cool. And it would sink into the etched details on the plates, and really pop them out. I used the red version on my Mu'uglavyani.

These days, I still use this, but also Liquitex Phthalocyanine Green, as it's a nice muted gloss and looks really good. The painting convention used by Phil and I was that glossy paints were metal or leather objects, and dull / matt paints were cloth. Wooden objects could be either. Other colors as needed from the painting guides.

Does this help?

Originally Posted by Greentongue

Is there a good source you know of for what these posts, positions, titles, ranks, and decorations could be?
(For us less "worldly" hicks.)
=

Like Chirine said, when it comes to decorations there's the Gold, which he himself holds. As for ranks, the military, priestly and bureaucratic ranks/ titles are all in the Sourcebook.

The ancient feudal-like titles are few. I don't think any of the terms come from south Asia, although I could be wrong. The generic Tsolyani term for Lord is pachukoi. My suspicion is that this was inspired not by anything from India but by the Quechua name "Pachakuti" which is a "nickname,"not a title exactly, but does imply lordship (in fact, almost trans-planar lordship, which is interesting now I think about it). There is very little in Tekumel that was inspired by Andean civilizations, but this might be a rare example. There is also a slim chance that pachukoi derives from the Mayan word Pacal. It doesn't mean Lord, but it was the "name" of one of the few classic Mayan kings whose name was actually identified back when the Professor was coming up with all this Tekumel stuff. Seems like a stretch, but maybe.

Other Tsolyanu noble titles include Arsekmekoi, Mringukoi (I believe) and Hehellukoi. Don't know the origins, could be south Asian, but I would be surprised.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Ah! Well, back in Ye Olden Dayes I used Pactra Flat Green as the basecoat, and Pactra Jade Green as the overcoat as the glossy translucent paint looked really cool. And it would sink into the etched details on the plates, and really pop them out. I used the red version on my Mu'uglavyani.

These days, I still use this, but also Liquitex Phthalocyanine Green, as it's a nice muted gloss and looks really good. The painting convention used by Phil and I was that glossy paints were metal or leather objects, and dull / matt paints were cloth. Wooden objects could be either. Other colors as needed from the painting guides.

Does this help?

Awesome. Thank you very much! After a long break, I started painting minis again. I have a really nice old box set of 10 Ral Partha female characters, based on Larry Elmore drawings, that I got for Christmas years ago, and I've decide to paint some as an Aridani from one of the Five Empires. Just finished my Tsolyani and I want to do a Yan Koryani next. Need to make a trip to my local art supply store this week and grab the green and a suitable red. What red do you use now? I think black is black is black when it comes to the Salarvyani so I should be ok there.
So in keeping with this motiff, the article from Dragon 6 says that the Livyani paint their armour bright colours. Are there any colours that are especially associated with Livyanu?

Shemek