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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Agreed. I've known some real shits, over the years, and I don't feel the need to give them any more of my time and energy. What's been done has been done, and they'll have to live with the consequences of their actions.

    Well, I think I need to state my bias at the outset; when I first started with Phil, back in early '76, I was right up front with him about wanting to be the informal archivist of his creative process. Nothing more, nothing less; what I wanted to do - and then did for decades - was simply collect, record, and store the data being generated every Thursday night. The 'custom of the house' was that every time Phil did a map or drawing, I'd make a copy and he'd keep the original. Phil was a very disorganized 'housekeeper', and after a while I would up running two sets of records in parallel. For all intents and purposes, I was the 'back-up copy'. That's it; that's all. And that's what I did.

    After he passed away, I was able to make a full and complete copy of all of his files, both paper and electronic. I filled in the gaps in his collection from mine, and mine from his; I also got help from Tekumel fans from all over the world, who contributed bits of their own that they'd found over the years. At this point, what I'd consider 'the crown jewels' would be:

    - The 1950s 'proto-Tekumel' materials: The maps, documents, house rules, and artwork from Phil's high school and college games. These include his fannish materials, as well as the unfinished (and lost for decades until I found it) first Tekumel novel.

    - The 12-13 chapters of "Beside The Dark Pool of Memory". his last and unfinished Tekumel novel.

    - His childhood toy soldiers. We did a complete photo inventory of these, as well as making copies of the photos of his childhood games that his dad took.

    - The bitmaps of his fonts for his languages. A lot of these were never published.

    - His artwork. One could do a coffee-table book of his artwork.

    - The audio tapes. Several of the original players in our group did a series of recorded interviews with him in the late 1980s, on all sorts of Tekumel-related subjects. These tapes have never been published, and have been sitting in my files for decades unheard. We also have tapes of game sessions with him.

    What did surprise me about going through his files was that there was not a lot of 'new' material - by which I mean, 'new' to me. A lot of it would be new to people, especially now that most of our old publications are no longer available. Could it be published sooner, rather then later? Sure, if somebody put the effort into it.
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    Please don't break my heart...Such wonders to breathe new life into the fandom!!! Sadly it's my nature, later than sooner!!!

    H:0(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    Uncle,

    Please don't break my heart...Such wonders to breathe new life into the fandom!!! Sadly it's my nature, later than sooner!!!

    H:0(

    Well, it's what's there. I keep six separate back-up copies, two in remote locations. The data, as I promised Phil some forty years ago, is as safe as I can reasonably make it. I'm an archivist, pure and simple. What happens to the data is not my purview - I've been The Publisher before, and I want nothing to do with that ever again.

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    Only 90 thousand views ... can't be That interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
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    Well, dang. I hadn't seen that. And I think I'm the most surprised one of them all, when I think about people looking in on this little corner of the Internet so see what all the fuss is about.

    I mean, what we did back in Ye Olden Dayes was fart around a lot, make stuff up, and run games that we got a lot of laughs over. Some of us, who were obviously nuttier then the others, liked to make little things that got used - and misused! - in those games. Others went on to write sets of rules, like Gronan's wonderful "Planetfall" rules or Larry's "Harpoon"; we were serious about our gaming, but we always found the time to have fun with it.

    If there is anything people can take away from this thread to add to their own games, then I think we're doing something right.

    So, have at it - ask away, and I'll try to give answers that make some sort of sense...

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    Uncle Chirine, after great consideration of all topics mentioned in this thread, I decided to just wish you for longer sleeptimes, and better tasting fluids, and leave it at that!

    Unfounded allegations against you, material that could stoke fans but isn't getting published, considering to eat Tekumeli tribesmen? "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof", so take care of the present day first!
    "Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place, and I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward." - Rocky

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsenRG View Post
    Uncle Chirine, after great consideration of all topics mentioned in this thread, I decided to just wish you for longer sleeptimes, and better tasting fluids, and leave it at that!

    Unfounded allegations against you, material that could stoke fans but isn't getting published, considering to eat Tekumeli tribesmen? "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof", so take care of the present day first!
    Thank you for the kind words! I was up every two hours for the past 18 getting my system flushed out - bad interaction between some of my medications - and it felt like several centuries was passing. Embalming fluid started to look really good about two this morning.

    And we didn't consider eating just any old tribesmen, either. The Glorious General and I have high standards in cuisine, I'll have you know! Only the very best selected tribesmen - read, the ones within reach - are fit for our sophisticated palates. And served with a fine Salarvyani black wine, too; no chablis, here!

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    While we're on the subject of dinner - chicken with mashed potatoes for me tonight, yum yum! - somebody ask Gronan about his game of Maker and Wesely's "Source of the Nile" where he was about to run out of provisions, and I saved the day with a timely suggestion...

    (We may have told that story up thread already; I don't recall if we did or not...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Others went on to write sets of rules, like Gronan's wonderful "Planetfall" rules or Larry's "Harpoon"; we were serious about our gaming, but we always found the time to have fun with it.
    My favorite part of PLANETFALL is the Burthoi. For those of you who haven't seen the game (pretty much everybody but Chirine) they were a race that never invented digital computers, and they did their hyperdrive calculations on Babbage engines the size of large semi trailers, with rollers the size of human hairs spinning in air bearings and mounted in elaborate mahogany and bronze frames.

    I invented Steampunk in 1979.

    (I wish, when writing the rules, I'd spent less effort fetishising technology and more time thinking about how the game was actually supposed to play. But I was young.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    My favorite part of PLANETFALL is the Burthoi. For those of you who haven't seen the game (pretty much everybody but Chirine) they were a race that never invented digital computers, and they did their hyperdrive calculations on Babbage engines the size of large semi trailers, with rollers the size of human hairs spinning in air bearings and mounted in elaborate mahogany and bronze frames.

    I invented Steampunk in 1979.

    (I wish, when writing the rules, I'd spent less effort fetishising technology and more time thinking about how the game was actually supposed to play. But I was young.)
    Glorious General,

    Anyway a youngster could get a peek at Planetfall? I went to the all mighty google and it came up with nothing. Planetfall sounds like the Lords of Humanspace in effect...

    H:0)

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    I remember a science fiction story in Analog a couple years ago (yes I still read Analog) where humanity receives signals from an alien race. Once we decipher their instructions and primer the human scientists are pretty depressed as the aliens are clearly more advanced than we are and are looking for answers to questions we didn't even know to ask. As the deadline to respond looms on scientist smiles and says he doesn't think it's a problem. He explains that he is an antique radio enthusiast and points at a series of symbols in the plans for a signal array needed to respond and they haven't been able to make sense of and says, "It's analog, those are vacuum tubes."
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