Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal

Sigh. Qadardalikoi is indeed an eminently playable game.

Dave Sutherland's "Legions of the Petal Throne" is, too, and it's also quite simple in the basic game. And he even explains wargaming very explicitly for non wargamers. If you're looking at it, you can see the influence of the Minnesota "Rather Argue Than Play" brigade in the incredible detail in which Dave lays out EVERYTHING, so there is absolutely NO wiggle room in certain parts of the rules.

Of course, 'More rules is always better' is a trend that started in the 1970s and still continues in some places today, so simple isn't always popular.

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

Sigh. Qadardalikoi is indeed an eminently playable game.

Dave Sutherland's "Legions of the Petal Throne" is, too, and it's also quite simple in the basic game. And he even explains wargaming very explicitly for non wargamers. If you're looking at it, you can see the influence of the Minnesota "Rather Argue Than Play" brigade in the incredible detail in which Dave lays out EVERYTHING, so there is absolutely NO wiggle room in certain parts of the rules.

Of course, 'More rules is always better' is a trend that started in the 1970s and still continues in some places today, so simple isn't always popular.

Sigh. I miss "Legions", and Dave himself for that matter. I was genuinely touched when he gave me the rights to his Tekumel sculpts as a gift; he was a gentleman, as well as a great gamer. I was heartbroken when I finally found out the terms of his contract with TSR - which was why we never had the chance to republish his rules, back in the day. Carl Brodt was able to do it, as by then the contract had expired.

Originally Posted by Big Andy

I have, and rather enjoy, Qardardalikoi and I think you sell it short if you put it on par with warhammer, more so if we are talking later versions of warhammer. The only problem is finding people to play but that is a far too common problem with most games.

Interesting to picture sitting there with someone you just robbed or just robbed you, eating dinner, knowing that the next time you them underground or out of town they are going to try and clobber you. Sadly, sounds like some of your real life dealings with some of the other people involved with Tekumel.

And as always, you both are a fountain of knowledge! Many thanks!

I'm delighted that you enjoy the rules! I think I'd have to agree with you, too; I got a copy of the GW rules, as well as the "General's Compendium", and never got the hang of how the rules were supposed to work - big buckets of dice, was my impression. Wound up giving the two volumes to one of my younger players - he got a lot of use out of them.

Well, it does make for interesting after-dinner conversations. It was always business, never personal, and I can think of times when my direst foes on one occasion were my staunchest allies on another. Which is one of the things that makes Tekumel as Phil practiced it so interesting; it does have an effect on politeness knowing that you might need a favor from somebody, and they might need one from you. Like when Lady Jannule plotted my murder, when I was Governor of Hekellu; one of the other factions in the Temple of Sarku sent somebody around to warn me, and we made sure to get them out of town in return.

Frankly, I'd rather be dealing with the people from Tekumel; they are, in general, more polite, more trustworthy, and have better manners. And more common sense, too, from what I've seen.

You're welcome; we try...

Originally Posted by Baron Opal

Interesting. I've been looking for a simple, straight-forward set of miniature combat rules, suitable for an afternoon's diversion. I may have to investigate this.

If a copy is actually purchasable anywhere.

Try Carl Brodt, of Tita's House of Games; he may still have copies left in his inventory. If he does not, and you don't mind copies that have seen action at the game table, let me know as I have spares.

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comi...4#.V7_Le6JwQ6Y

And that, class, is why we took a Tubeway Car for the first time...

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

I'm delighted that you enjoy the rules! I think I'd have to agree with you, too; I got a copy of the GW rules, as well as the "General's Compendium", and never got the hang of how the rules were supposed to work - big buckets of dice, was my impression. Wound up giving the two volumes to one of my younger players - he got a lot of use out of them.

GW does a "burn and churn" model; they are continually coming out with new figures with capabilities that make the old figures much less powerful.

Sadly, that or some variation seems to be a big trend in miniatures gaming. Even the new X-Wing game that I was so excited about has that; beyond the starter sets it's all about buying the uber macho new variants with all the cool added abilities and shit like that.

The notion that "all P-40C Kittyhawks are alike and the only determinant is player skill" seems to be virtually obsolete.

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comi...4#.V7_Le6JwQ6Y

And that, class, is why we took a Tubeway Car for the first time...

Nice to see Phil Foglio hasn't lost his touch!