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    From Big Andy: Some underworld questions:
    Sure; I assume we're talking about Jakalla, here...

    Roughly how many entrances are there? How well known are they? And how many would the average citizen of (Jakalla/whatever city) know about? Could they go oh sure go to blank and talk to so and so, they'll hook you up.

    I know of about eight, and there are that many on the map that Phil did. Very few are known 'on the street', but the 'man on the street' assumes that most of the Temples - especially the Change ones - all have their own 'secret' entrances. And everybody knows that if you go to the necropolis, you can get in through the various entrances there. Yes, everybody assumes that if you go to the Tomb Police (formally, the Death Battalions of the Temple of Durritlamish) and make a gift to their Old Age Pension and Retirement Fund, they'll let you use any of the entrances in the necropolis. Otherwise, it's pretty widely held that going to a Change Temple, like Sarku or Durritlamish, and paying them will get you in - assuming, of course, that they know you. All of this is on the same order of 'sure knowledge' like in the Middle Ages, where we all knew dragons were real because my wife's second cousin's sister-in-law's uncle's nephew had a friend who got eaten by one. So it's all true.

    Physically how big is Jakalla's Underworld? The city has like 45,000 citizens and we know roughly how big the city itself is. Seeing the pictures of it both gives a good indication of scale and a bad one at the same time if that makes any sense. I always assumed most were roughly the size and shape of the city above.

    You know, I never sat down and counted the squares on Phil's huge map. It's 17" x 22", at ten squares to the inch, at ten foot to the square; so... 1,700' x 2,200' on the map itself, for about 3,740,000 square feet of underworld to explore. The actual underworld is more spread out then the map is; there are something like eight or nine 'sections' on the big map that he showed directly connected to each other, but which in 'real life' are separated from each other by additional tunnels and passageways - and these are also on somewhat differing levels, as well, so while there are only three map sheets, the Underworld has something like seven levels - grouped into three sets, with most of the levels / half levels on the big sheet.

    All told, I guess that the whole thing is a good couple of miles on a side for the actual underworld areas, and that you could assume that the things spreads over a good five mile by five mile area. So, from what I know, your estimate is pretty much right on the money - it's about as big as the city. It may be shifted one way or the other, however; I've never really sat down and tried to match up the known entrances with the surface locations, but I think it's more or less centered on the necropolis area.

    Does this help, any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    Uncle, a generic station is a good idea. It would be good for me to have a reference point and an idea of the types of rooms/features needed in a station to maintain it. As far as the extras, well purple tube-lights, floor control panel(leds), that all sounds exciting. The only thing that comes to mind is COOL!!! So a generic station would be nice. What time period will your station be from? It might be fun to have a Humanspace era station and then one from maybe Engsvanyali or Bednjallan times(though it may be unneccessary). This could become a major project...

    As far as Nareshanbo goes, Uncle you really tempt me!!! I have the book. I still need to read through it. If any of this is not too much trouble, I say go for it. I for one will always be happy to see what you are up to. I know you want to us to keep you busy...Now it is just a matter of getting there to play!!! Be well Uncle.

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    Thank you for the input! What I'm trying to do, here, is balance my addictions in modeling with what players would actually like to see in games.

    The stations don;t 'age', by the way; they're all the same, and made of 'imperishable' metal. You do get signs, like Bednjallan or Engsvanyali, telling you things. I'll have to make some!

    Nereshanbo's little underworld would be really easy to make; it's pretty fun, and I've enjoyed running it over the years. Miniatures would be easy, too!

    We'll be here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    Well there is this example to work from when making the station.
    http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1298785940l/1770864.jpg
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    True. Phil wasn't very happy with the artwork, but it was much better then that for "Man of Gold". I had had to supply Don Wohlheim a compete set of all the Tekumel miniatures I was casting at the time, as well as a copy of my "Miniatures for Tekumel"; he circulated both around to various artists - Don Maitz had got a copy, I'm told - and that's why you see what you see.

    This is a pretty good idea of what one of the very rare above-ground stations looks like. I saw one in the Tsolei Isles that was just like this, and the one at the Egg of the World looks a lot like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    I followed the link you posted and I randomly chose three authors whose work I like: Howard, Bellairs, and Wellman. Wow, not much of a PC agenda there. This guy has either not read and comprehended what was written, or is so blinded by ideological bias that he is no longer capable of rational thought. His "misogynistic" this, or "racist" that when talking about the Conan stories raised my blood pressure. God almighty, why do people insist on looking at things through a PC 21st Century lens? Howard wrote in the 30's. Societal norms and values were different then, this does NOt make them wrong within that context.
    His dismissal of Face in the Frost tells me the humour was way over his head. It is meant to be a sarcastic, clich�, parody of the Gandalf motif in Fantasy literature. Of course the main characters called Prospero and Roger Bacon are not the two from Shakespeare and history, respectively. In the first few sentences Bellairs clearly says this: "...Prospero, and not the one your thinking of!", but for some reason this guy needs to make a point of telling us that Prospero is a Shakespearian construct and Roger Bacon was an Eleventh Century monk. "Crom's hairy nut sack!", to quote the Glorious General. As an aside, the scene in the village and forest is one of the most evocative and scary scenes ever written in Fantasy Literature, IMO.
    I will bet good money that he didn't actually read very many, if any, of Manley Wade Wellman's stories. His stuff is as old school "Weird" as anything Lovecraft, C.A. Smith, or Howard ever did. The author dismisses the stories as being merely "old fashioned" as if this is somehow bad. I'm afraid to see what they/he wrote about some of my other favourite authors like Burroughs, or Zelazny.

    Shemek.
    Same here. I was more then a little boggled by the Tor series; it really did put me off my feed for a while, and still rankles a little with the heavy-handed moralizing.

    Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Johansen View Post
    We have always been at war with Eastasia.

    In 1984 George Orwell postulated that war is necessary to destroy excess production and justify totalitarian measures.

    There are people who need a war to fight.

    If we overcome every evil of society they'll just have to create a new one.

    It's really that simple.
    Agreed. I'd like to sit this one out, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellri View Post
    Three hundred and fifty two pages of this shit? Seriously?
    OK. And...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    Yep! Join the party. Otherwise we'll be seeing you on the Ho Chi Minh trail...Take care either way.

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    He's a stupid piece of shit as he has demonstrated repeatedly; just put him on your ignore list like I did ages ago.

    And as Chirine would tell you, yes, I WOULD say that to his face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    He's a stupid piece of shit as he has demonstrated repeatedly; just put him on your ignore list like I did ages ago.

    And as Chirine would tell you, yes, I WOULD say that to his face.

    Ah, I see. As you command Glorious General. Well if he's not interested in the thread, then he doesn't have to read it does he? I'll never understand why some people have to poke their nose in, make f*****g stupid comments and try and stir the shit. I'm sure you know what they say about opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Photo, as the thing dries on the workbench...

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    Chirine,

    That looks amazing. Until you gave me the dimensions of a tubeway car I really had no idea how big they were. This model really makes a visual impact when you see the minis in the bottom left of the picture.
    Are you going for internal lighting, or some type of external lights?
    What brand of acrylic filler did you use to prep the surface?
    I'm not sure how feasible this is, but would you consider making a tubeway car with a detailed internal passenger compartment?
    I can't wait to see this model in a station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    Ah, I see. As you command Glorious General. Well if he's not interested in the thread, then he doesn't have to read it does he? I'll never understand why some people have to poke their nose in, make f*****g stupid comments and try and stir the shit. I'm sure you know what they say about opinions.

    Shemek.
    As my wife says, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one ant they're all full of shit except your own."

    And that imbecile frequently strolls into threads dealing with older games, publicly shits himself, and leaves.

    I attribute it to not having anything in the real world to do.
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