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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Salutes are sometimes formal gestures, like the fist to chest of soldiers, but are usually less elaborate. Anything from a nod of the head between equals, to a deep bow and even kneeling before an Imperial Prince or Princess, or a polite bow between different people. The Vimuhla gesture is usually shared between Vimuhla people, as is the Sarku gesture of the Five-Headed Worm. You will also see the 'fingers to one's own lips, then to the other person's lips' but that is very much a lovers' or spouses' gesture. I'll have a look and see what others there are - it's been a while.

    Usually, it's verbal, with the most formal greeting being the first one of the day upon meeting someone, and then a 'sir', title, or polite phrase showing respect afterwards. For example, Si N'te is usually addressed as 'Mistress', a polite translation of the Tsolyani word; a little more formal will be 'Lady', short for 'Lady of the House', her formal title as head of the household. (I am not 'Lord of the House'; that's a title and position reserved for the lady of the house, usually the senior wife.) If it's a formal occasion, it's 'Lady' as in 'Your Ladyship', and a temple occasion as 'First Dancer', which is her title and rank in the Temple of Mretten.

    I am usually addressed as 'Sir', as most of the time I'm in military situations, and 'Lord' the rest of the time if people need to be formal. At home, it's 'Husband', which may be the title I'm proudest of. Also a family title is 'Poppa', from the kids, as in "Poppa, can I have the palanquin tonight?" If it's a formal temple occasion, then 'Master of the Energies' can be used. If I'm being official when at home, then I might use Their Ladyship's formal titles, as in, "Senior Wife, would you please ask the twins not to practice their sorcery indoors?" Going the other way, the Glorious General would normally address me as 'Kasi', my rank in his legion; I would salute him, and address him by 'my General'. On the other hand, if I was acting in the capacity of an Imperial official that ranked him, he would salute me and use 'Lord'. It can lead to moments where I would give the General an order as a Imperial official, he'd salute, and then he would turn around and give me the same order back again in my 'persona' as his staff Kasi and I'd salute him.

    Social inferiors are always treated with respect. (As are superiors, obviously!) One does not make rude remarks to them, as that would show that one is ignoble. I address the household by their first names, when we are 'at home' in the family wing of the house, and by a more formal title like 'Chief Assassin' or 'Mistress' for the Ladies-In-Waiting.

    It all depends on the social situation at the moment, and knowing what to say when to whom is a very important part of one's education. In general, be polite and respectful, and you'll do fine. The words show in very accurate manner what the social relationships are, and are how society functions.

    Is this helping, at all?
    Perfect. Thank you. We're going to be doing a lot more "societal interaction" in the upcoming game sessions and I want to get it right.

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    On a COMPLETELY different subject, Chirine, have you read Terry Pratchett's delightful Raising Steam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    Perfect. Thank you. We're going to be doing a lot more "societal interaction" in the upcoming game sessions and I want to get it right.

    Shemek.
    Great! I'm not going to worry too much about 'proper' terms, as this is supposed to be a game and not a class. The language books do have a Tsolyani-English dictionary, and I have tried to give the flavor of the conversations over pedantic accuracy. Phil never worried about it all that much, so why should we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    On a COMPLETELY different subject, Chirine, have you read Terry Pratchett's delightful Raising Steam?
    Short answer: No, I have not.

    Long answer: I pretty much gave up on modern / current F/SF in the middle 1990s, mostly because of all the politics and gargling that was going on in both local and national F/SF fandom at the time. I got very tired of all the 'political correctness' that was being bandied about, and after being told that myself and my fellow gamers, costumers, media fans, etc., etc. were not welcome in their version of fandom I took all the very strident advice to heart and took me and my money elsewhere. Of course, once I did that, and stopped buying people's products / paying for their fun, there was an amazing amount of weeping and wailing that went on.

    (I've had the same thing happen in gaming; people have told me that my particular style of miniatures-heavy role-playing games are not welcome 'round here, dang it! and I said fine, no problem, and took my money elsewhere. There are, it seems, plenty of miniatures firms who are more then willing to do business with me, in the 'plenty of other fish in the sea' vein. And, of course, the question does come up, "Why aren't you spending money in here, like you used to?" Sigh. Anyway... )

    I kept (and keep) reading the genre, but it's been mostly revisiting and rediscovering the 'classics' and some very fun and obscure stuff that I'd never heard of back in the day. I was sort of getting my feet wet in the genre again when the Tor Books series on Gary's Appendix N came out, and that put me right off my feed. No sale here for Tor; but then they seem to be more worried about being politically correct then selling me books.

    <shrug>

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    Tor Book series on Appendix N? You mean that list of books Gary happened to like that somehow became holy writ? Somebody did a series on that? Do I want to know?

    And as far as Terry Pratchett ... You'll like his stuff. Trust me. A vicious satirical wit... the "Campaign for Equal Heights" trying to convince the dwarfs they're oppressed...

    And as for Raising Steam, I tell my friends and relations "If you want to know why I have a 61 year long fascination for trains, just read this book."
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    Okay, I went to Tor.Com and read the first two "Advanced Readings on Dungeons and Dragons", the ones on Robert E. Howard and Poul Anderson.

    I don't know who the fuck the two wankers who wrote that are, but I want to punch them both in the face so hard they shit their own livers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Tor Book series on Appendix N? You mean that list of books Gary happened to like that somehow became holy writ? Somebody did a series on that? Do I want to know?

    And as far as Terry Pratchett ... You'll like his stuff. Trust me. A vicious satirical wit... the "Campaign for Equal Heights" trying to convince the dwarfs they're oppressed...

    And as for Raising Steam, I tell my friends and relations "If you want to know why I have a 61 year long fascination for trains, just read this book."
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    Yep. Please see http://www.tor.com/features/series/a...eons--dragons/

    After I read all the articles, I wrote this: http://chirinesworkbench.blogspot.co...political.html
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    I'll have a look.
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    Try "Steam Bird", for the same thing. This hearkens back to the days when me dear old dad worked for the AEC, when the solution to everything was to put a nuclear reactor in it. His stories of the AAR's reaction to the proposal for open-cycle reactors for steam locomotives were hysterically funny. Read this book, and I'll be willing to bet that you'll laugh so hard you'll cry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Okay, I went to Tor.Com and read the first two "Advanced Readings on Dungeons and Dragons", the ones on Robert E. Howard and Poul Anderson.

    I don't know who the fuck the two wankers who wrote that are, but I want to punch them both in the face so hard they shit their own livers.
    Oops; you beat me to the keyboard. The rest of the series is even more, well, um,...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
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    Yep. Please see http://www.tor.com/features/series/a...eons--dragons/

    After I read all the articles, I wrote this: http://chirinesworkbench.blogspot.co...political.html
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    I'll have a look.
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    Try "Steam Bird", for the same thing. This hearkens back to the days when me dear old dad worked for the AEC, when the solution to everything was to put a nuclear reactor in it. His stories of the AAR's reaction to the proposal for open-cycle reactors for steam locomotives were hysterically funny. Read this book, and I'll be willing to bet that you'll laugh so hard you'll cry...
    Remember the proposal for the nuclear ramjet bomber that used liquid sodium sprayed onto an atomic pile? Weehawken!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Oops; you beat me to the keyboard. The rest of the series is even more, well, um,...
    I found them both utterly inane; Episode I, Robert E. Howard, is "Somebody writing in 1930 didn't have 21st century sensibilities!"

    No shit, Sherlock.

    The second, on Poul Anderson, is even worse. "I've seen all this stuff before!" This one is right up there with people saying that Shakespeare is full of cliches.

    Really, it was absurd.
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