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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    Color me confused. According to the copy of EPT rules that I have the Shedra have steel swords.
    Now I had thought that the nano-bots used the iron from the corpse to extrude a thin film of steel over the composite blade following the ancient instructions coded in them.
    There was even a possibility of "farming" Shedra for steel since it is so valuable but the Shedra swords themselves were not useful without the nano-bots.
    It also explained how someone killed by one became one.
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    What rules are those? When Phil wrote EPT in 1974 "nano-bot" wasn't even a term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Why, not a bit of it, Bunky old chum!*

    My original post was a bit terse, I admit. Perhaps if I fill in some details it will make it clearer why this is a source of endless amusement to me.

    This was some years back. It was even before I became the Glorious General; I was merely the Mighty Molkar at the time, and Chirine and I were still with the PVP loving/"Roleplaying is a SERIOUS NARTFORM" group when we played.

    So we were headed north on some mission or the other. We were travelling as military officers; this is important because it meant that what we had with us is what Tsolyani military officers had with them, and none of us were part of a sappers' or engineers' legion.

    Someplace between our origination point and our destination, we learned of some old something or other that seemed for some reason good to explore. In the process of exploring we eventually found deep underground some shrine to Vimuhla. In it we found an immense lead slab. Investigation proved that it was the aforementioned red gold slab with an inch or two of lead covering it. Not only that, but red gold is specially precious to Vimuhla... no idea why, probably he likes the colors. The gods act like spoiled six year olds sometimes.

    Not only is this a slab of Vimuhla red gold, but it's in a shrine of Vimuhla, and the slab is covered with Vimuhla glyphs, Vimuhla hieroglypics, Vimuhla sigils, Vimuhla icons, Vimuhla runes, etc, etc, etc.

    All the characters worshipped Vimuhla except Eyola the crazy wizard, and me. This group of PCs (except Chirine and me) were Prince Mirusiya's "New Men," who were rising through the ranks by dint of sycophancy. So every step up the ladder and every gift they got, they rubbed in my face. Repeatedly. A little joshing among friends was one thing, but this had long since become tiresome (and was, in fact, a major reason for me leaving that group.) Although Chrine did indeed worship Vimuhla, he was politically of the "Imperial Party," as was I. (Our motto: "We serve the Petal Throne, whoever sits on it.") That, plus he had this very old fashioned notion that advancement should come from merit and achievement rather than arse-kissing; thus, he was also scorned and derided by the "New Men."

    Well, Kardarsha was incredibly politically ambitious, and he saw this huge Sacred Relic of Vimuhla (tm) to be a great opportunity to get close to some prime asses to kiss. Between he and Eyola kyoodling about how it was a marvelous magic item, cutting the thing up was Right Out. Now, Kutume agreed with me that we should try to break it up; he only wanted the gold. But it was made clear that was not going to happen. At that point I spoke up and made clear that I had a part interest in this artifact. I had no clan yet and was a medium level field officer (captain or major.) I still stayed at the barracks in our home city because I had noplace else, so the gold meant a lot to me. Kadarsha agreed to buy off my interest.

    Now, remember, I worship Karanan... the rival god to Vimuhla. I had less than no interest in helping carry a five ton decorative trivet for somebody else's aggrandizement. They had made it clear to me many times that I had no part in what they were doing, so I decided to sit back and relax. Further, Chirine, though of the same temple, thought quite rightly that this huge clumsy slab of uselessness had exactly fuckall to do with our mission and orders.

    Payback may ride a slow Chlen cart, but she's a real bitch when she arrives.

    See, as I said before, we were traveling as a military entourage, not a combat engineer battalion.

    Also, at least back then, remember that RPGs were a game of wits between the referee and players, both trying to outsmart the other. Sure, you can throw a thousand orcs at your first level PCs and kill them, but ANYBODY can do that. As Lord Downey said to Mister Teatime, "It..... lacked elegance." And once in a while, you get a situation where you just know that one of the players is WAY ahead of the others. In this case, it was the ref. I could see by the look in his eyes that Phil was WAY ahead of every idea the "New Men" had.

    So, I sit back and relax, and Chirine the Ever-Prepared breaks out the bread substitute, the gribble-grub flavored icky-wax, and the fresh-squeezed Hoob-melon juice and we proceed to make a light tiffin.

    Because I know damn well that this enormous metal slab sitting on top a stone platform weighs multiple tons, and we have no tools.

    So the entire dialogue above went pretty much as written, with the "New Men" on one side and Phil on the other.

    "Can we cut it up!"
    Kadarsha: "ABSOLUTELY not."
    New Men: "Can we pry it off?"
    Me: "Who brought crowbars?"
    Chirine: "Phil, is a crowbar standard equipment for any of our legions?"
    Phil: (rolling dice) "No crowbars."
    New Men: (to me) "ASSHOLE!"
    New Men: "Let's lift it up!"
    Phil: "Okay, you can try."
    * roll * "You lift it about an inch by one corner. Then it slips and you drop it."
    Me: "Does anybody lose a finger?"
    New Men: (to me) "ASSHOLE!"
    New Men: "If we stand it up on end we can roll it out."
    Me: "Roll it on what?"
    Phil: "Yes, who brought rollers? Anyone?"
    New Men: (to me) "ASSHOLE!"

    Et cetera.

    So, all the things people mentioned upstream happened... and like I said, no logs, no chisels, no wheels, no nothin', no shit, no foolin'. After all, only "D&D thugs" carry dungeoneering gear, not Nartistic ROLE PLAYERS!

    This went on for several hours as Chirine and I laughed our tonkers off, watching the "New Men" get more and more frustrated, and their ideas get more and more Rube Goldberg-esque. Eventually, one of them realized like Bren said, "it's been here for 10,000 years, it'll keep for a week."

    It still amuses the hell out of me.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    What rules are those? When Phil wrote EPT in 1974 "nano-bot" wasn't even a term.
    I was wondering what a "nano-bot" is too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    I've had a very pleasant afternoon; got the window air conditioners in, so I could say I was doing something useful, but the real fun of the day is pictured below. Got the ovals at the crafts store for a whole $4, everything else came out of stock. The arched brackets were salvaged from a project that never got off the ground, and the brass rod for the railings were left over from a project we did for Prince a lot time ago. Everything else is from the parts bins.

    Control stands and weapons mounts are on, and the supports with the steel plates for the magnets for the flight stands are all on and coat of black primer on the top side. I still have to add the lower detail, flagstaffs, and build some accessories - these, things like radium cannon and such, will be on steel / magnets so I can trade them out for different games. The two large skiffs can carry up to 12, the four small ones up to six based figures. No railings for the bows, so the weapons can be traversed and the players can jump off more quickly.

    Grappling hooks? Do I need grappling hooks?
    Wow, most impressive sir! I like it. Grappling hooks are always a good thing for adventures, and for adventurers to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d(sqrt(-1)) View Post
    Yup, that's the one. I was thinking that they might want to sell them off as we have one PC with a debt problem, and another with a hnequ weed addiction...
    What else is new? There's always a debt problem, and the addict is nice twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    From d(sqrt(-1)):
    Ok, so, the OAL. How tough would a typical member be? What sort of gear would they have? If they came to a bunch of PCs and said "Hand over (X) in the name of the Emperor", how would they back it up (apart from people being expelled/impaled etc)? If the party did hand over (X), might they get a reward or the like (depends on X, I guess).

    Right. Let's look at how the OAL is organized. Bear in mind that they do not do 'local policing'; that's the job of the city guards, tomb police, and the Governor's guards.

    1) Military arm: 20 cohorts of heavy infantry, normally based in Bey Su, spear and shield, swords. Rarely seen outside the central empire- if on the frontiers, somebody's been stupid. Also 20 cohorts of the Legion of Potent Destiny, reformed to use the surplus of recruits available. Same details. Generally are above average soldiers.

    2) Uniformed officers: stationed in every city of any size, they are in the usual OAL military-style uniform, swords as side-arms. Treat as FBI or CID types; do the public investigations. Generally as smart or smarter then PCs and most people. A cut above the usual 'beat cop' in the city forces.

    3) Non-uniformed officers: generally, the people / detectives who do the covert investigations and watching people who need watching. Usually dressed in blue and gold, or regular clan colors depending on mission. Usually pretty tough; think senior FBI or the Sweeny - from The Sweeny Todd, aka, The Heavy Mob, aka Scotland Yard's Flying Squad; famous for getting unwilling criminals to 'assist the police in their enquiries'. Inspector Morse with heavy weapons.

    4) Covert officers: undercover operatives, who are assigned to keep an eye on troublesome people or trouble spots. Very, very tough and skilled; James Bond - Sean Connery or Daniel Craig, maybe Timothy Dalton - types with pretty wide powers. I know for a fact that there are three of these in my staff, and I am sure that there are more. equipped with anything needed for their roles, and personal weapons as needed.

    In your example, the OAL can simply seize anything legally, but they really try hard not to - unless one has been caught red-handed, and it's needed for evidence. Normally, the OAL will make one a generous offer, and if that doesn't work, they make the offer to your clan or Temple, and they put the arm on you. It's always better to accept the offer - you get more, and you get on the list of cooperative people who can be trusted.

    Ultimately, of course, they have the full power of the Imprium to call on, up to and including flattening the entire city with all the inhabitants still in it. They do try really hard not to be nasty, but do appreciate a good attitude and helpfulness.

    If someone does get something of great power I would imagine that Avanthar's response is to offer that person a large "inducement" (cash, land, title, dancing girls) in return for handing it over. If they don't then there is a problem...a messy problem.

    Yes, very much so. And it's usually the case that people take the goodies and do what the Imperium wants. However, the dancing girls are most likely going to be either reporting back to the OAL, or if one is a person of interest they will be a covert OAL operative.
    Could you tell us a bit more about #4. I would be interested in hearing about those 4 on your staff. First wife one of them...? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    3) Non-uniformed officers: generally, the people / detectives who do the covert investigations and watching people who need watching. Usually dressed in blue and gold, or regular clan colors depending on mission. Usually pretty tough; think senior FBI or the Sweeny - from The Sweeny Todd, aka, The Heavy Mob, aka Scotland Yard's Flying Squad; famous for getting unwilling criminals to 'assist the police in their enquiries'. Inspector Morse with heavy weapons.

    "We're The Sweeney, son, and we haven't had any dinner. You've kept us waiting, so unless you want a kicking you tell us where those photographs are."

    Love this series! When I was a kid I used to secretly watch this show on Saturday nights, as me old dad would have given me a kicking if he caught me watching it back then Funny thing was I had no idea what the hell they were talking about half the time. Just loved the car chases. Well you brought a smile to my face tonight that's for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    What rules are those? When Phil wrote EPT in 1974 "nano-bot" wasn't even a term.
    Copyright � 1975, 1987 by M.A.R. Barker

    (20) Shedra "the Eater of the Dead"
    These are flesh-eating undead. Grey and shrivelled almost beyond human form, they wander ceaselessly in the Underworld seeking food. They fight with steel swords, and a person slain by one of them will himself become a Shedra unless a Remove Curse spell is applied within two rounds. Once a victim has become a Shedra only a Wish spell or Divine Intervention will return him to living form.

    "Nano-bot" is just a name for what would have been "magic" back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    Copyright � 1975, 1987 by M.A.R. Barker

    (20) Shedra "the Eater of the Dead"
    These are flesh-eating undead. Grey and shrivelled almost beyond human form, they wander ceaselessly in the Underworld seeking food. They fight with steel swords, and a person slain by one of them will himself become a Shedra unless a Remove Curse spell is applied within two rounds. Once a victim has become a Shedra only a Wish spell or Divine Intervention will return him to living
    form.
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    This is how I've always played them. It's funny when the party doesn't realize that they are Shedra and an NPC or PC gets slain. "Guess who's coming to dinner?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentongue View Post
    "Nano-bot" is just a name for what would have been "magic" back then.
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    In other words no, that phrase does not appear in the EPT rules.

    And I know what a "shedra" is.
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