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    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    Let's hope saner heads will eventually prevail and we start seeing some stuff. In the meantime I'll keep sending things up in the basket and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    "Seagull" management. They swoop in, flap around, squawk loudly, shit all over everything and everybody, and swoop out again.
    Oh, tell me about it. I've had five years of gonzo visitors like this, all of whom have yet to come up with anything solid. It's getting to the point where I'm requiring references on 'cold calls'.

    I think that the "inappropriate shelving" comment made by a first-time visitor was my favorite; I was a trifle nettled by it, as the shelves in the game lounge were one of the very first projects that Third Daughter and I did together. I was also a little startled; most first-time visitors to somebody's house don't kick off their visit by insulting their host. But hey; what do I know, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    I assume you mean by magic. Metal makes magic backfire catastrophically, not just iron. That's why military magic is such a specialized subset.
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    The poor old G5 died again, just as I was starting this, so I'll try again. I'm looking for input on something, here...

    The tharks and thoats are done, and I did all of my Barsoomian figures' bases in real red Martian soil; I am very pleased with how it all turned out, and now we need flyers.

    The books and the movie have very different ideas of what these look like, and I'm going to stay away from that for now; a big ship, like the ones in the film, are going to be about a meter long in 28mm scale, and while great for big floor games are not so great for table-top skirmishes. What I'm looking at doing are 'skiffs', like ship's boats, that landing parties would use to drop in on something. I'd also like these to be as useful as possible as Tekumelyani aircars, as I'd like to have as few single-use models in the inventory as I can.

    My thought is to have as much open deck as possible, with the idea of five to ten figures being able to stand on the open decks. ERB says that seats are not that big an issue, as the warriors clip their harnesses to the flyer, and I'll go with that. I'm experimenting with flat plywood ovals, with details glued to the bottom to hide the sockets for the stands - these will be dowels - and minimal stuff on the top deck so it does not get in the way. Working searchlights are an option; I have this kind of stuff in stock.

    So, what would any and all of you like to see, if you were playing in one of my games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    And I still owe you some e-mails, too. The Missus is working on getting all the e-mails over to this machine from the billboard - a G5, desktop, actually - and I'll be able to get this done here on the vacation.
    No need to spend your vacation on that, Uncle. It's nothing urgent.

    We blew out the G5's cooling vets, have applied a powerful fan, the the poor old veteran keeps on working. This machine is the newer Intel processor chip set, which we can upgrade in the future. The Mac G5 chips were, to be honest, a dead end as you can't do any really effective upgrades to them. Same with the G3 laptops we have in the reserve fleet; the pair of matched Wall Streets are now my gaming display drivers. I used one at Gary Con last year, as it's permanently loaded with our digital version of the Jakalla Underworld. (The HP laptop is the Internet 'terminal' in the game room, and is what runs the 40" LCD screen.)

    So, advancement on all fronts. The Tharks look really good, I think, and I'm going back into the source texts for eye and tusk colors. Same thing for the thoats; I have to paint their toungues, for heaven's sake!
    Glad there's technical progress...
    But now you're making me wonder what is the colour of a thoat's tongue!

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Well, yes about the butt-hurt and the effect it has; I don't know about the obscurity part. It all depends on the fans - there' a lot of 'underground' stuff going on, and more then a little activity 'under the radar'. We'll see, I guess; I prefer to be hopeful and optimistic, myself.

    Ambereen doesn't much worry about the problems of the Foundation. She's just one of the six Directors of the thing, and her only real power would be to cancel the Foundation's license to publish and retrieve Phill's collection (her property, last time I heard) from them. Tekumel was Phil's 'poker night with the boys', and she just wasn't all that interested in the thing over the years. She was pretty happy to be able to dump the whole thng off on them and move out of state to be with her family, and I don't really blame her. She's tried very hard to distance herself from all the screaming and shouting, and I respect that. I'm in the same boat; I, quite frankly, got what I came for back in 1976 when I made the digital back-up of all Phil's data, and I'm more then happy to let somebody else sit in the hot-seat. Being Phil's publisher was not a lot of fun, and soured me on games, gaming, gamers, and Tekumel itself for decades. I much prefer being the abbot of the remote citadel of scholars, quite frankly; this thread is the equivalent of the pilgrims coming to the Holy Mountain, ringing the bell, and the monks let down the basket. The pilgrims put their questions and such into the basket, it gets hauled up, and after a pause the replies come beck down.

    I don;t know where it's all going to go, in the future. All I can do is keep talking about Tekumel with people and preserving the data for those who come after me.
    I can totally relate to Ambereen's position, too, especially after reading your memories of being a Tekumeli editor and publisher. It's too bad it doesn't work for some of us, but that's simply our problem, and we should solve it ourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    I'm not quite sure where you got the idea that I don't do research, lad, or that "fun" and "research" are somehow opposed, but it wasn't from me.
    ...please, Gronan, re-read my post. If it's not clear that I don't mean "Gronan said that", rewrite my text in a way that would make it sufficiently clear - and I'll edit the text and replace it with whatever you suggest.

    My point, to clarify, isn't that "Gronan says fun doesn't need research". The point was, and is, that quite a few people did take your words (the story with the McMonster on the 6th level especially) to mean exactly that. Much to your chagrin, I suppose - but I know I had misunderstood you in this exact way, too, and we can reasonably* assume I wasn't the only one.

    *Based on the threads where you mentioned it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    My point (and I do have one) is that this was a seasoned bunch of adventurers, but we had adventuring gear, not something to extract a five ton object.
    Didn't you say it was gold? Gold ain't a hard metal. Why didn't you just use a big rock?
    At least, that's what I would have tried.
    Now, if you wanted the magical inscriptions, that would have been harder. But it's not impossible to copy them if you had, say, clay or gesso in sufficient quantities (gesso is useful for broken bones, so I'd assume you to have it - but the quantity might not have been sufficient for something equaling 4,5 square meters).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    The poor old G5 died again, just as I was starting this, so I'll try again. I'm looking for input on something, here...

    The tharks and thoats are done, and I did all of my Barsoomian figures' bases in real red Martian soil; I am very pleased with how it all turned out, and now we need flyers.

    The books and the movie have very different ideas of what these look like, and I'm going to stay away from that for now; a big ship, like the ones in the film, are going to be about a meter long in 28mm scale, and while great for big floor games are not so great for table-top skirmishes. What I'm looking at doing are 'skiffs', like ship's boats, that landing parties would use to drop in on something. I'd also like these to be as useful as possible as Tekumelyani aircars, as I'd like to have as few single-use models in the inventory as I can.

    My thought is to have as much open deck as possible, with the idea of five to ten figures being able to stand on the open decks. ERB says that seats are not that big an issue, as the warriors clip their harnesses to the flyer, and I'll go with that. I'm experimenting with flat plywood ovals, with details glued to the bottom to hide the sockets for the stands - these will be dowels - and minimal stuff on the top deck so it does not get in the way. Working searchlights are an option; I have this kind of stuff in stock.

    So, what would any and all of you like to see, if you were playing in one of my games?
    Uncle,

    What would I like to see? I would love to go to Barsoom, a mission into the Jakallan Underworld, exploring the under-the-temple scenario, or even being in command of my own Legion in a battle, you also mentioned the sakbe road, an adventure/battle on or around that would be neat!!! I could go on...!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsenRG View Post

    My point, to clarify, isn't that "Gronan says fun doesn't need research". The point was, and is, that quite a few people did take your words (the story with the McMonster on the 6th level especially) to mean exactly that. Much to your chagrin, I suppose - but I know I had misunderstood you in this exact way, too, and we can reasonably* assume I wasn't the only one.

    *Based on the threads where you mentioned it.
    Thank you for the clarification.

    I guess I didn't worry much about making the distinction clear because I thought it was clear, or that people would ask. I frankly never dreamed that talking about one piss take would be enough to convince people that I had spent forty years running a game that was nothing but a collection of stupid jokes.

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    Didn't you say it was gold? Gold ain't a hard metal. Why didn't you just use a big rock?
    At least, that's what I would have tried.
    And where, my bright young lad, were we to find a big rock? The Ancients left a noticeable scarcity of loose debris in their structures.

    Or in other words, we're Godsdamned player characters, don't you think we THOUGHT of all that? That's what made the farting, fainting, and falling down so much fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    The poor old G5 died again, just as I was starting this, so I'll try again. I'm looking for input on something, here...

    The tharks and thoats are done, and I did all of my Barsoomian figures' bases in real red Martian soil; I am very pleased with how it all turned out, and now we need flyers.

    The books and the movie have very different ideas of what these look like, and I'm going to stay away from that for now; a big ship, like the ones in the film, are going to be about a meter long in 28mm scale, and while great for big floor games are not so great for table-top skirmishes. What I'm looking at doing are 'skiffs', like ship's boats, that landing parties would use to drop in on something. I'd also like these to be as useful as possible as Tekumelyani aircars, as I'd like to have as few single-use models in the inventory as I can.

    My thought is to have as much open deck as possible, with the idea of five to ten figures being able to stand on the open decks. ERB says that seats are not that big an issue, as the warriors clip their harnesses to the flyer, and I'll go with that. I'm experimenting with flat plywood ovals, with details glued to the bottom to hide the sockets for the stands - these will be dowels - and minimal stuff on the top deck so it does not get in the way. Working searchlights are an option; I have this kind of stuff in stock.

    So, what would any and all of you like to see, if you were playing in one of my games?
    Well for me, I would love to see the skiffs all tricked out with LED's and what not. As for the terrain, something rugged such as, lots of hills, and debris, maybe some type "cliffs and canyons" with lots of corners and hidey- holes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    10,000 pounds?
    Yes, that's what I said. Want to see the math?

    For six or eight pre industrial people in robes or armor, with no tools other than some ropes, pitons, and hammers?
    If it was easy, someone else would have already done it.

    Down in a chamber deep in a labyrinthine underworld?
    If it was conveniently situated you wouldn't need to move it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    No forge. No fuel, for that matter.
    I was thinking that maybe, just maybe you might have known a fire mage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Oh, and Tekumelyani magic is HIGHLY allergic to metal. Which reminds me of the time the apprentice sorceror blew himself up, killed half his companions, and deafened the rest...
    Not being a mage and not having played anyone on Tekumel wealthy enough to have metal, I either didn't know or forgot that. What does metal do to magic? Also, I thought Chrine and the General both wore iron armor and ran about surrounded by a bunch of soldiers armed with iron quarrels. How did that effect his magic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    I assume you mean by magic. Metal makes magic backfire catastrophically, not just iron. That's why military magic is such a specialized subset.
    Magic would be one way, but I was thinking that if you only had some tools, you could cut it into strips and bend them in a rough circle.

    Of course if only you had had a mage with you who knew some of that specialized military magic maybe he could have done something to melt or otherwise change the shape.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    No hammers, except light mountaineer-style hammers. Actually, with metal being SO rare on Tekumel, the pitons were bronze and I believe the "hammers" were actually old style wooden mallets with brass faces.
    Copper and gold are soft metals. Much softer than bronze or brass.

    No chisels. No bending brake, either. Or anything much heavier than a mace.
    What an unprepared bunch of gits you all turned out to be. Next time, maybe you'll know better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    My point (and I do have one) is that this was a seasoned bunch of adventurers, but we had adventuring gear, not something to extract a five ton object.
    Coulda, woulda, shoulda�all I hear, soldier, is a bunch of excuses for why you didn't get the job done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    My point (and I do have one) is that this was a seasoned bunch of adventurers, but we had adventuring gear, not something to extract a five ton object.
    You sound a tad touchy on this subject oh Glorious General. If you think you weren�t going to get people taking the piss out of you and second guessing you, why then you�re a lot more na�ve than you have any right to be at your age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Thank you for the clarification.

    I guess I didn't worry much about making the distinction clear because I thought it was clear, or that people would ask. I frankly never dreamed that talking about one piss take would be enough to convince people that I had spent forty years running a game that was nothing but a collection of stupid jokes.
    Well, it doesn't make much sense indeed, when you put it like that, and with everything in this thread...
    But this thread is not that thread.

    Remember: Internet communication necessarily suffers from scarcity of available information. You've said one, two, or N things about yourself. What do those things say about you, when all you know is that?
    That's the conclusion people are likely to make...
    Remember again, some people might be even new to the site (I know I was at the time of reading that thread, or at least hadn't registered you much due to us posting in different threads).
    What else would I base my observations on, other than what was in the thread? Oh yes: the fact that you waved away the objections of MAR Barker, known for writing one of the (Google said) most internally consistent settings out there...
    Look at it from the bright side: I think I learned from that thread the name Tekumel, or at least improved my opinion on its creator!

    And where, my bright young lad, were we to find a big rock? The Ancients left a noticeable scarcity of loose debris in their structures.
    ...oh right. I was thinking an Underworld with more of the later structures. Well, Glorious General, then it's just too bad you didn't have someone with a warhammer!

    Or in other words, we're Godsdamned player characters, don't you think we THOUGHT of all that? That's what made the farting, fainting, and falling down so much fun.
    I concede the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    So, what would any and all of you like to see, if you were playing in one of my games?
    I might be weird, but what I'd like to see is Barsoomian chess - complete with the rules, and the society of other chess-players.

    It's however really unlikely to randomly have someone whose preferences match mine. So you might want to check it with your players.
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