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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    A few quick follow-up questions, if I may...Uncle, how far down did you delve? We are talking only Grey Ssu (there)? It makes me nervous just thinking about going there...Thanks.

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    We only got down to the first, maybe second levels. Too many Ssu - Grey - with Black Su coming in as reinforcements. It was time to go, and we did. Fast. It's their home territory, and it showed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    A tremendous help indeed. I was looking at my old notes the other day and I realised that I never actually sent a group to the city of Ssu. I'll have to remedy that soon. I've had parties roam over large parts of Ssuyal, I've even had a group explore a bit of Ssuganar, but not the city of Ssu. Nice to know what's there.

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    Ssuganar is kind of flat as a destination, but Ssu... Whew!!! Scary!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Happy Easter from a Western schismatic!
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Amazing how many people confuse "won't" with "can't," isn't it?

    Right up there with the number of people who don't understand that the company has to prove to me that I should spend money, not that I have to prove why I should not.
    I wouldn't call "being self-entitled and not willing to see another's point of view" amazing in any way.
    Also, Bren called people that can't abstain from using the latest product "herd", above. I call it "consumerism", and in my language, this word is purely negative.
    *shrug*

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
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    Interesting - which book details these events, and the subsequent (I suspect) revivification? I suspect I remember it, but I'd like to have confirmation.

    "To Serve The Petal Throne", end of Book Five. The incident is part of the historical record, so it's in the book.

    Oh, that.
    She didn't fool those closest to her. They pronounced her a demon in order to explain why a non-Livyani is getting the special treatment and respect. And I guess that's a difference between my Tekumel and the Original Tekumel: I'm incorporated the Tibetan saying that "If there's faith, a dog's tooth will start producing miracles" as an universal law.

    Why? Because, as far as I can say, magic on Tekumel depends on interacting with the nano-sphere. The nano-entities/AIs will react to actions that resemble those they've been taught to care about - after all, they were created - and react to intent, too. That's why rituals work for believers better, and require exacting repetition; furthermore, some theories say that it's why rituals even work - they just produce the required uniform reactions in the observers...

    Is that how Original Tekumel works? I suspect not, but that was the best approximation I was able to come up with for why technology allows spellcasting! So, I guess it's actually following Phil's advice on Making Tekumel Your Own.


    Well, I think it actually follows what Phil set forth. Rituals are part of the 'wetware' that makes the technology work; if one does 'this', then 'that' happens. Nobody really knows why magic works, and - aside from scholars - only cares that it does.
    Sure, it does follow from what Phil has written. That was the idea.
    The advantage of my theory is that it actually explains, in a very roundabout way, how magic works. No actual need for that...but it helps me to think of what it can achieve, and to invent rituals on the fly when necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bren View Post
    I'm certainly guilty as charged. But I need a bigger house because my refrigerator is twice the size of the one I had in England and the washer and dryer take up 5-6 times the space of the single unit in my flat there. And tiny houses have tiny driveways and my wife owns a big, red, Ford pickup truck and of course we have cars, because you get anywhere outside a major city without one.

    Also Edmonton is in Canada. Technically, Canada is still a separate country. More so now, in some ways, since 9-11.
    Yeah, we've all got our excuses. I'd say, if you can get a big house, good for you, I don't see how it's hurting anybody.
    It just means that some solutions that are practical for you, aren't going to be practical for (most) Europeans.

    Also, that was just the first link that popped on the page and was on the same continent as the US. Most links were from the UK. Since I posted that from a phone, I decided not to bother looking for anything closer - after all, Edmonton might be closer to some of you than some place in Austin!
    Anyway, that's what it looks like. And I agree, it's a good place to try new games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    To any fellow Eastern Orthodox thread readers: Happy Easter!
    Happy Easter!
    И освен това, Христос Воскресе!

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Well, so it went. It was the price we paid for getting to visit Tekumel. Was it worth it? Well, I'm still here, ain't I...

    I don't think we ever understood a lot of why Phil did what he did. I'd prefer to remember the good times that we had with him which were very good indeed.

    No; Tekumel gaming out at his house had pretty much ended, by then. I was asked, back in 2002, to run a Tekumel campaign for one of the founders of the original Thursday Night Group - Rick Bjugen - to take his mind off his chemotherapy sessions. When he passed away a few years later, he willed me his extensive Tekumel collection on the condition that I continue to run games for the group. Phil kept track of what I was doing, as he read my little blog, and asked me for copies of his works that he no longer had and which I was happy to provide from my archives. And he did apologize, about three months before he passed away.
    Good stuff, bad stuff...there's always a price.
    Or maybe I'm just being needlessly philosophical. I can't really tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Yep; never mind that new-fangled Gregorian calendar!!!
    Yes. I mean, who needs such new-fangled stuff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bren View Post
    "The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low."
    Wallace Stanley Sayre

    I'm thinking Sayre's thoughts might be applicable to a lot of the furor in gaming in general and to problems among the aficionados of Tekumel in particular.

    Then you should.
    OK, I laughed at the quote at first.
    Then I stopped and thought...
    Then I laughed some more at the examples I'd just remembered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Happy Easter from a Western schismatic!
    Happy Easter, dear schismatic!
    (We love you as brothers, though adding the "Filioque" was totally unnecessary...)
    "Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place, and I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward." - Rocky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Oh, I know why COMPANIES do it. I've just been amazed at the hostility I've encountered from fellow gamers when I say I have no interest in buying something.
    Same here, on both points. I get The Look from people at the FLGS all the time. The staff doesn't do it; they know better. They'd also like to go back to the days when I'd drop $300 to $400 on a visit, but I don't play the brand name games and - to be honest - I've pretty much bought them out of everything that I really want. I do find the occasional delight that I pounce on, and everyone is happy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Holy CARP that's sweet!
    Thank you! It was a simple dogbone with a cut-off for the Quay, and off-board staging for more distant locations. Had done a computer network for the card-order system, as well as telephones for the stations - no idea what I'll do with the vintage switchboard I got for this - and a sound system for the layout. The Missus got me a huge collection of vintage railway noises, and mixed custom Cds for each station based on what normally went on there. Maybe someday...

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    From AsenRG:
    I wouldn't call "being self-entitled and not willing to see another's point of view" amazing in any way.
    Also, Bren called people that can't abstain from using the latest product "herd", above. I call it "consumerism", and in my language, this word is purely negative.
    *shrug*


    I think I can agree with this.

    Sure, it does follow from what Phil has written. That was the idea.
    The advantage of my theory is that it actually explains, in a very roundabout way, how magic works. No actual need for that...but it helps me to think of what it can achieve, and to invent rituals on the fly when necessary.


    It does, quite nicely. In our day, we just knew that it worked, and used it in practice; we didn't worry too much about how it worked, just that it did when we needed it to.

    Yeah, we've all got our excuses. I'd say, if you can get a big house, good for you, I don't see how it's hurting anybody.
    It just means that some solutions that are practical for you, aren't going to be practical for (most) Europeans.


    Also true, as my two daughters in Zurich have pointed out to me.

    Also, that was just the first link that popped on the page and was on the same continent as the US. Most links were from the UK. Since I posted that from a phone, I decided not to bother looking for anything closer - after all, Edmonton might be closer to some of you than some place in Austin!
    Anyway, that's what it looks like. And I agree, it's a good place to try new games.


    Still a very good link, though, and it's a great concept.

    Happy Easter!
    И освен това, Христос Воскресе!


    Thank you! If I could figure out how to tell this computer to work in Cyrllic, I would reply properly!

    Good stuff, bad stuff...there's always a price.
    Or maybe I'm just being needlessly philosophical. I can't really tell.


    True, I think; I'm with you, and being philosophical about all of it. Only way to stay same, I think...

    Yes. I mean, who needs such new-fangled stuff?

    Phil still worked in the Sothic calendar, as well as the Mayan one. Hugely impressed by that, I was!

    OK, I laughed at the quote at first.
    Then I stopped and thought...
    Then I laughed some more at the examples I'd just remembered.


    Same here!

    Happy Easter, dear schismatic!
    (We love you as brothers, though adding the "Filioque" was totally unnecessary...)


    I'm still cranky about the Fourth Crusade, but I'll eventually get over it. (Pardon me, while I kick a passing gondola. Thank you.)

    And the historical in-jokes keep coming, folks! We'll be here all week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    I think I can agree with this.
    Sure you can, Uncle...you don't seem to suffer from this, at all!

    It does, quite nicely. In our day, we just knew that it worked, and used it in practice; we didn't worry too much about how it worked, just that it did when we needed it to.
    Well, I'll keep using it, then. I wonder when they'll get back to Tekumel.

    Also true, as my two daughters in Zurich have pointed out to me.
    Tell them to beware of Zurich chocolade...wait, they probably know that already!

    Still a very good link, though, and it's a great concept.
    Yeah, been thinking to visit one of those to try out some new games. I guess I might...

    Thank you! If I could figure out how to tell this computer to work in Cyrllic, I would reply properly!
    Not sure about that, Uncle, but here's what Google found for Mac.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0

    True, I think; I'm with you, and being philosophical about all of it. Only way to stay same, I think...
    ...is to change with the changes?

    Phil still worked in the Sothic calendar, as well as the Mayan one. Hugely impressed by that, I was!
    He would have needed to re-start the cycle, recently...

    Happy Easter, dear schismatic!
    (We love you as brothers, though adding the "Filioque" was totally unnecessary...)


    I'm still cranky about the Fourth Crusade, but I'll eventually get over it. (Pardon me, while I kick a passing gondola. Thank you.)
    Yeah, the gondolas-users didn't help this Crusade to become more virtuous. That said, Kaloyan did a good job in teaching humility...

    And the historical in-jokes keep coming, folks! We'll be here all week!
    I'm sure we can keep the historical in-jokes going much longer than a week. Let's go back to Tekumel, though.

    What is the weirdest blade you've ever seen on Tekumel? Who uses it?
    "Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place, and I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward." - Rocky

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsenRG View Post
    (We love you as brothers, though adding the "Filioque" was totally unnecessary...)
    Well, in 1987 or 1989, the Episcopal Church of the US (of which I am a member) resolved that in the next revision of the Book of Common Prayer the "filioque" would be removed. And the discussions for the next revision are beginning.

    (I don't really disagree with the theology of the filioque, but the council that added it was not ecumenical in any meaningful sense.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Thank you! It was a simple dogbone with a cut-off for the Quay, and off-board staging for more distant locations. Had done a computer network for the card-order system, as well as telephones for the stations - no idea what I'll do with the vintage switchboard I got for this - and a sound system for the layout. The Missus got me a huge collection of vintage railway noises, and mixed custom Cds for each station based on what normally went on there. Maybe someday...
    Never give up! Never surrender!

    (Pop culture references AND historical in-jokes, folks! Best value anywhere!)

    Poor Phil, may his soul be treated gently, had trouble with every publisher he ever worked with, it seems. I wonder if that was his academia background? Though I love studying history, every time I regret not pursuing it as a career I reflect on everything I've learned, from a LOT of people, about what a snake pit academia is.
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