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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    I don't think it was, actually. I think he thought that they'd make their money back when something took off, and they'd print the actual 5,000 copies. Most of the time, it felt like we were doing prototypes in order to have something for the photos of the trade show booth.
    Ooooh, yeah. That's right, a LOT of AGI stuff felt that way.

    Would have worked great in 1979. In 1984 it was the kiss of death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsenRG View Post
    Sometimes the weekend is the best thing one can hope for.
    It's Spring Break - I have all day Friday off, so I can write and answer e-mails!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shemek hiTankolel View Post
    Hi Chirine,

    Having recently returned to Tekumel after about a 10 year absence, or so, I just came across this thread over the weekend, and I'm about halfway through! Reading yours and Gronan's anecdotes is nostalgically fantastic. Really reminds me of the games my friends and I used to play in High School.
    As someone who has been "exploring" Tekumel since the mid 80's (almost exclusively in Pechano) it's great to get an inside view on Phil's group and on some of his games. A lot of mysteries have also become unravelled and I think that, as a DM, is great. The inside baseball on Tekumel is amazing, and I can tell that you guys had a blast. No wonder Phil's campaigns lasted for decades. Can't wait for TStPT to be finished. Any chance of posting a snippet or two?
    I sent you a couple of messages on your blog email a while back regarding specific questions on Tekumel, but maybe I should post them here?

    Here goes:
    Did the group ever make it to my personal favourite part of Tekumel, Pechano, or encounter any Pechani?
    As someone who has always used miniatures in their games, I was wondering what colour did you or Phil use to paint Pechani troops? The Armies of Tekumel vol. iv calls for dun, but I'm not really sure what this colour is. I traditionally used a desert tan colour (the old little square Testors' bottles) for my Pechani, and as I slowly rebuild my armies I am faced with repainting and painting. May as well do it right this time.
    Also, what colour would be a good match for Tsolyani blue? I have always thought of it as being a type of dark sky blue, kind of like the hue used for the underside of WW2 VVS aircraft. Is this colour too light?


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    First off, no, I haven't forgotten your e-mails. My department is being shut down, and I'm being transferred to a different one; life has been crazy busy! I have two 'slots' where I can look at messages, one right before I go to work and one right after, so I have to be quick. You are in the stack for this weekend - I have Friday off - and I'll have much longer answers - with color samples!!! - for you this weekend.

    I am really happy you found this thread, too! I'm happy to answer questions, and this thread has been a great time for me - and more people get to be involved, too!

    Right - some short answers:

    I have posted some bits of the book in various places; I'll get those listed here for everyone to have a look at, if they want to. What I'm trying to do is tell our stories from our perspectives, as we adventured in Phil's world.

    We went to Pechano three times, according to my notes; first after the NW Frontier campaign, again as part of the Second Voyage, and once more as part of the Hekellu micro-campaign. It's a great place to adventure in - just nice enough to have a comfortable place to stay, but very 'frontier' and very 'Conanesque'. The people are glad to see you, mostly 'cause they have the Ssu as next-door neighbors, and the locals can use all the help that they can get.

    I will send you paint samples. Phil used the Humbrol line of war-gaming enamels and the similar Floquil line, and I tended to use the Testor's enamels; later on, we both went to acrylics, and I painted a lot of his figures that way. 'Dun' is one of those sort of vague colors, and the Testor's 'Desert Brown' was what I used - I still have all of these bottles (!), and I'll check for you. I should note that Phil repeatedly said that dye lots for clothing and uniforms did vary between batches, so you needn't get too fussy - get the look, and you're there. I'll also look in the collection - I don"t think I had call to paint anybody from Pechano, but I should look before I say for sure!

    I had a look at the VVS blue; I think it's a little too light, and a little too green, but that's going to be a tough call - I'll send you come color samples. I used to use shades of blue from a navy blue (Ksarul legions) up through a light blue (Avanthe and Dilinala), but I am now using a Vallejo color, #23 'Electric Blue' as my basic Tsolyani color. It's halfway between the darker shades that Phil used, and the lighter shades I used. (Please see my next reply, to Gronan, as well.) Please have alook on my Photobucket page, in the 'Castle Tilketl' album, to see how this looks on figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Phil used 3 or 4 different shades of blue. Serqu, Sword of the Empire was based on Royal blue, a bit brighter than Navy blue, with two lighter tones for trim, plus metallic blue, and a darker blue on the demon face on the shield as shading.
    Agreed! I made a list of all his paints when I did the inventory, and I'd better get it put together. I think all of the Serqu colors came out of the Floquil range, with only a few being the Humbrols. I've managed to duplicate the old Floquil 'Samoa' he used for skintones - Testor's Model Master Acrylic 'Red Earth', #4747, I think - and it looks quite good.

    One thing I have to remember is just how dark it used to be in the game room out at Phil's; he painted under several desk lamps with 75 watt lamps in them, but that single 100 watter over the game table did him no justice. Ditto the dang tubes in the FLGS - shifts the colors way over into the lighter shades...

    Have a look at the 'Castle Tilketl' album, by the way, and you can see our lead alter egos in full cry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Ooooh, yeah. That's right, a LOT of AGI stuff felt that way.

    Would have worked great in 1979. In 1984 it was the kiss of death.
    Yep. Remember "Johnny Reb"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    It's Spring Break - I have all day Friday off, so I can write and answer e-mails!!!
    Free Fridays are nice even if one sleeps them off. Sometimes those are even the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Yep. Remember "Johnny Reb"?
    Great game by all accounts, award winning... do I want to know the print run?
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    [QUOTE=chirine ba kal;885521]First off, no, I haven't forgotten your e-mails. My department is being shut down, and I'm being transferred to a different one; life has been crazy busy! I have two 'slots' where I can look at messages, one right before I go to work and one right after, so I have to be quick. You are in the stack for this weekend - I have Friday off - and I'll have much longer answers - with color samples!!! - for you this weekend.

    Ah, thank you. I'm not trying to rush you for an answer I just wasn't sure if they got lost in the aether. I appreciate your responding, and look forward to
    the complete reply.

    I am really happy you found this thread, too! I'm happy to answer questions, and this thread has been a great time for me - and more people get to be involved, too!

    Man, this is the best place to be when it comes to finding out about and exploring Tekumel. Having gone over a big chunk of the posts in this thread, I cannot understand why the Tekumel Foundation: those self appointed doyens, arbiters and "protectors of Tekumel" would hoard information on what was so obviously a labour of love by Phil. This is just my 2 Nzuggesh worth but I feel they are doing a disservice to the late Professor's memory and legacy.

    Right - some short answers:

    I have posted some bits of the book in various places; I'll get those listed here for everyone to have a look at, if they want to. What I'm trying to do is tell our stories from our perspectives, as we adventured in Phil's world.

    I for one would love this.

    We went to Pechano three times, according to my notes; first after the NW Frontier campaign, again as part of the Second Voyage, and once more as part of the Hekellu micro-campaign. It's a great place to adventure in - just nice enough to have a comfortable place to stay, but very 'frontier' and very 'Conanesque'. The people are glad to see you, mostly 'cause they have the Ssu as next-door neighbors, and the locals can use all the help that they can get.

    I always saw it as being somewhat "rough and tumble". The reason that I initially chose Pechano is because it gave me a lot more lee way when it came to the game environ. This was especially true when I first started adventuring on Tekumel all those years ago. The brief description in the Sourcebook which described a nation and people locked in perpetual warfare with the foes of man sold me on it. The fact that it is a feudal society made it that much easier to integrate the group whose historical point of reference was for the most part medieval Western Europe and Japan.

    I will send you paint samples. Phil used the Humbrol line of war-gaming enamels and the similar Floquil line, and I tended to use the Testor's enamels; later on, we both went to acrylics, and I painted a lot of his figures that way. 'Dun' is one of those sort of vague colors, and the Testor's 'Desert Brown' was what I used - I still have all of these bottles (!), and I'll check for you. I should note that Phil repeatedly said that dye lots for clothing and uniforms did vary between batches, so you needn't get too fussy - get the look, and you're there. I'll also look in the collection - I don"t think I had call to paint anybody from Pechano, but I should look before I say for sure!

    That's awesome! Even though I switched over to acrylics ages ago (primarily Vallejo and a mish-mash of other brands like MM, Citadel, and even Floquil) I still use Humbrols exclusively (augmented with artists oils) when I paint my Chota Sahib or Andrea 54mm minis. I probably have the Humbrol tin already if they still make the colour.


    I had a look at the VVS blue; I think it's a little too light, and a little too green, but that's going to be a tough call - I'll send you come color samples. I used to use shades of blue from a navy blue (Ksarul legions) up through a light blue (Avanthe and Dilinala), but I am now using a Vallejo color, #23 'Electric Blue' as my basic Tsolyani color. It's halfway between the darker shades that Phil used, and the lighter shades I used. (Please see my next reply, to Gronan, as well.) Please have alook on my Photobucket page, in the 'Castle Tilketl' album, to see how this looks on figures.


    That Tsolyani Blue match has bugged me for some time. I remember using the the old Testors Sky Blue with a wash of Navy Blue, and a dry brush of Sky Blue gradually lightened with flat white. I'll have to take a look at your photobucket page when I start to gather some Tsolyani troops.

    Shemek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Phil used 3 or 4 different shades of blue. Serqu, Sword of the Empire was based on Royal blue, a bit brighter than Navy blue, with two lighter tones for trim, plus metallic blue, and a darker blue on the demon face on the shield as shading.


    Cool. Like I said to Chirine in my earlier post Tsolyani blue has bugged me forever. :banghead: I had a hard time visualising it in my mind's eye for some reason, and when I was painting Tsolyani troops, some 30+ years ago, there was no internet, as I'm sure you remember. Getting that info was just not as easy as it is today. So I looked at my paints, thought Sky Blue looked nice and away I went.

    Shemek

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    Crom's hairy nutsack, I miss Humbrol enamels. They seemed to change their formula in the late 70s or early 80s, but the early 70s stuff I got from "La Belle Alliance," before there even WAS a "Little Tin Soldier Shop" -- man, that was some of the nicest paint I EVER used. Excellent coverage, even light over dark, smooth finish, went on like a dream, uniform color from tin to tin, excellent consistency... sigh.

    My dear wife made me promise to stick to acrylics some years ago. They've gotten much better, though. Some of the Badger model railroad colors are astounding... you can airbrush them and then hand brush them and not tell where the spray stops and the brush starts.
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