Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

It's the same stack of building papers in Hub Hobby - Richfield that have been thre since you and I were going there; they just up the price as the years go by.

And I thought Stale Model Supplies was the only place that pulled that routine. Heck, SMS has old McKean kits from the 80s priced like new Red Caboose kits.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

The dilemma, for me, is how much detail do I want to put in to this project. My time and energy is very limited these days, and I don't like to waste either on projects that will make no real difference to what I do.

I find myself in a similar situation. That's why if you use it a good bit, I think the Model Builder software is worth it... click on a scale, click on a brick/stone/siding/etc pattern, drag the white corner square to fill the screen, and print. Hey nonny nonny. We don't have time to fart around, us.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

I had a very, very bad moment a while back when one of my long-time gamers blandly assured me that "anyone who does miniatures is a nut-case" and "weird".

I have the answer for people like that. Here, shoots a little to the left.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Nope, you have it exactly! The tiles are very flat and two-dimensional; all they are at the moment are flat MDF with a coat of light stone colored paint. I'd like to do something to make them look a little 'cooler', but I'm not jumping up and down with glee at the thought of doing my usual hand-drawn-with-a-Sharpie flagstones - there's like a square meter or so of MDF to do.

You could add a sand texture and then dry brush it to give it depth.

Originally Posted by David Johansen

Yeah, that sounds a bit like me. That was the appeal of Warhammer for a number of years. It gave me stuff to build and paint. I'd have done just about anything else if anyone around here would have been willing. Hell, in many ways my store is about trying to create that kind of community that wants to do something that isn't ridiculously over-priced and designed to milk every dime out of you that it can.

I'd agree with that philosophy. I've gotten really tired by NEW! LATEST! products where all the stuff the company sold you last year is now obsolete and NOT APPROVED FOR OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED PLAY! A fair bit of stuff in the basement is now pushing forty, and still gets used in games.

Sigh.

Originally Posted by Hrugga

Uncle since you are here, let me keep you occupied if I may...I was doing a bit of reading...I came across some writings about some of the other deities of the other empires of Tekumel. Now some of these foriegn nations do worship Pavar's Twenty. Some also have other deities that exhibit similar aspects of the Twenty.

For example in Mu'ugalavya, they have temples dedicated to Vhimula(May His Flame Burn Ever Bright) and the others of Pavar's Pantheon. They also worship Hrsh(who seems to be an amalgam of Vhimula, Karakan, and Ksarul).

In Salarvya, we have The Twenty. Also Shiringgayi(said to be a mixture of Avanthe and Dlamelish).

Lastly in Livyanu, there are The Shadow Gods.

Are these amalgams actually seperate beings, or actually one of the Twenty that have decided to be seen in these lands one way or the other?

Also would you have any intresting tidbits about The Shadow Gods...Thank you

H:0)

Well, I'd look in both 'Ebon Bindings' (if you can find it) and S&G I where Phil talks about it pretty extensively. There are two ways to approach this - besides calling me on the phone and me talking your ear off for an hour or two...

Philosophically, the gods are the gods; we have no real idea what they are, although it's been made pretty clear over the year that they are very advanced beings to like to amuse themselves with the affairs of us mortals. There are all sorts of variations on the themes of the Twenty in other empires, and the way that we approached them was like Lord Hrsh - who was, in Phil's campaign, mainly a mix of Vimuhla and Hru'u with a dash of Karakan and Ksarul thrown in to keep it interesting. Same thing for all four of Pavar's Ladies -in Salarvaya she's all in one, and a real party girl.

Phil was very upfront about keeping the gods mysterious; he felt that since they didn't have any of the same concerns or goals s humanity did, they should always be like either Lovecraft's or Howard's - there as plot devices.

Now, in game terms, all that we know for sure is that when we scream in panic for Divine Intervention, Something shows up and rolls a reaction check and we see what happens. We have no idea what the Something is, nor do we have any idea why it's taking an interest in what we're doing. The gods, are there to provide excuses for adventures, based on the intrigues and meddlesome doings of their worshippers.

As for details, S&G I has the list of the Livyani Shadow Gods; Phil also did a monograph on the Yan Koryani gods, and there are individual articles on the various temples. If you can't get any of those - and they may be very hard to find, we can talk about this some more. Let me know what you have, and we'll go from there...

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

And I thought Stale Model Supplies was the only place that pulled that routine. Heck, SMS has old McKean kits from the 80s priced like new Red Caboose kits.

I find myself in a similar situation. That's why if you use it a good bit, I think the Model Builder software is worth it... click on a scale, click on a brick/stone/siding/etc pattern, drag the white corner square to fill the screen, and print. Hey nonny nonny. We don't have time to fart around, us.

I have the answer for people like that. Here, shoots a little to the left.

1. And they still do it, too; it makes the inventory worth more money, I guess...

2. We looked at the software, and of course it only runs on newer PCs. We're Mac based, so only the 'brickyard' add-on will run on our machines. Sample time!

3. Yep. And he was sitting in the game room playing in one of my games at the time, too. He's had a few 'social gaffes' like that, of late; my personal favorite was when I had to wear an orthopedic boot for a while for my attack of gout, and he told me that he thought that I was "milking it". Well, thank you, I thought; I can't take painkillers due to possible adverse interactions with my other medications, so I have to admit that I was not amused...

Originally Posted by yosemitemike

You could add a sand texture and then dry brush it to give it depth.

Oh! Hadn't thought of this; I do use this technique on the bases I use for my miniatures, and it looks pretty good.

My only concern would be having the sand texture rub off when the tiles get stacked and put away. Hmmm. Experiment time, I think...

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Oh! Hadn't thought of this; I do use this technique on the bases I use for my miniatures, and it looks pretty good.

My only concern would be having the sand texture rub off when the tiles get stacked and put away. Hmmm. Experiment time, I think...

It holds up a lot better if you put a few coats of matte varnish on it.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Well, I'd look in both 'Ebon Bindings' (if you can find it) and S&G I where Phil talks about it pretty extensively. There are two ways to approach this - besides calling me on the phone and me talking your ear off for an hour or two...

Philosophically, the gods are the gods; we have no real idea what they are, although it's been made pretty clear over the year that they are very advanced beings to like to amuse themselves with the affairs of us mortals. There are all sorts of variations on the themes of the Twenty in other empires, and the way that we approached them was like Lord Hrsh - who was, in Phil's campaign, mainly a mix of Vimuhla and Hru'u with a dash of Karakan and Ksarul thrown in to keep it interesting. Same thing for all four of Pavar's Ladies -in Salarvaya she's all in one, and a real party girl.

Phil was very upfront about keeping the gods mysterious; he felt that since they didn't have any of the same concerns or goals s humanity did, they should always be like either Lovecraft's or Howard's - there as plot devices.

Now, in game terms, all that we know for sure is that when we scream in panic for Divine Intervention, Something shows up and rolls a reaction check and we see what happens. We have no idea what the Something is, nor do we have any idea why it's taking an interest in what we're doing. The gods, are there to provide excuses for adventures, based on the intrigues and meddlesome doings of their worshippers.

As for details, S&G I has the list of the Livyani Shadow Gods; Phil also did a monograph on the Yan Koryani gods, and there are individual articles on the various temples. If you can't get any of those - and they may be very hard to find, we can talk about this some more. Let me know what you have, and we'll go from there...

BTW, I am really glad that Bethorm had a list of the foreign gods, and which of the Twenty are mixed into them! Without it, my campaign, which started in Livyanu, might have strayed further from the original setting than I would have liked. That was really handy, and now I'm slowly digesting the S&G1 contents.