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    You need to type up a rate sheet. That way, when somebody says "You should..." you reply "Certainly. Here's my standard rates."

    And if they respond with "You're a big meanie poo-poo head," you respond with "And damn good at it, too."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    You need to type up a rate sheet.
    And once you do, you should double or quadruple the rate and print out a new sheet. Many people undervalue what they are worth in these sorts of situations. Engaging my Internet mind reading ability, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are one of those people.
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    Who, me or Chirine?

    In either case, I think the answer will be the same; "Been there, done that, left the hobby for over a decade, which is why my rates START at $150/hour plus expenses."

    In other words, "I don't want to do this, but if you're going to pay me a ridiculous amount of money, we'll talk."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Who, me or Chirine?

    In either case, I think the answer will be the same; "Been there, done that, left the hobby for over a decade, which is why my rates START at $150/hour plus expenses."
    I meant Chirine. My Internet mind reading tells me that you would come up with a higher starting estimate than would Chirine.

    Given that part of the intent is to deter entitled cheap skates I'd at least go to $200/hour plus expenses. More if one can already garner a higher rate for non-RPG consulting. No reason to charge less for RPG work.
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    Well, there's an old saying that every man has his price, and for a hundred and fifty clams per hour I'll put up with a lot.

    More to the point, though, if the people Chirine is talking about are the type of dingbats, wombats, and short-necked giraffes we used to encounter back in the old days, the mere mention of expecting them to actually cough up money will cause them to vanish faster than a politician's promises the day after the election.
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    Sorry to barge in for a moment, but I wanted to say to Chirine -- it took a few years, but I finally made it to your thread! Looks like I have a lot to catch up with; glad it's still under a hundred pages of posts, at least

    FWIW, demanding lawyers' rates to get out of doing something you'd pay lawyers' rates to avoid is always a deeply satisfactory maneuver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kk7 View Post
    Looks like I have a lot to catch up with; glad it's still under a hundred pages of posts, at least
    Are you including the original thread in the count?
    http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread...chirine-ba-kal
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    Hi everybody.

    Questions on names and secret names in Tsolyanu.

    It's mentioned that Tsolyanis have two names, well, three if you include their childhood "pet names":
    - A childhood "pet name".
    - An official, public "adult" name.
    - A secret name.

    That "secret name" is the one you keep to yourself, as it would give sorcerers complete control over your sorry self if it became known to them.

    01 - I don't recall any of the systems used to run games on Tekumel (I'm unfamiliar with the EPT rules) actually having players come up with secret names for their PCs. Is that correct?
    02 - Have any of you used the concept of the "secret name" in your games?
    03 - Chirine, do you have a secret name? Not asking for it (fret not!), but did the Prof ever use it in his campaign?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    Attachment 1224

    I think this is the one...

    H:0)
    Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    This is from people who have played in Tekumel, sometimes for many years. See also Gronan's comments about "booger-eating morons".

    "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum", a film which GMs could use to learn a lot about plots, incidents, random encounters, and timing.
    Hmm, I need to watch that movie...

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Good; I was getting worried. To me, there's a huge difference between people asking me questions - like here, on my blog, or in e-mails - and people wanting me to do things to support their visions of what Tekumel publishing should be. My 'signing on' to whatever proposal they might have seems to be seen as crucial for their business to be a success; if I don't instantly fall into line, I get denounced as "a detriment to our business interests" and threatened with some sort of legal action.

    Or, for that matter, insisting that I should come to their particular favorite convention or FLGS to run games for them and fill up my van with all my stuff for their use. I think it's the sense of entitlement that I've gotten from both individuals and game companies that I owe them the use of my time, energy, and resources; and these same people seem to be totally unable to manage a simple thank you, either. Like the people that insisted that I give up two full days of overtime pay, so they could have me meet with them and their guests, and then left in the middle of things assuming that I would continue to entertain their guests.

    Which is why I am getting further and further away from gaming. Nobody seems to be able to step up to the plate and do the job I'd been doing for years, and getting crap for doing it.

    Stuff 'em.
    I think the plan that Gronan suggested is good, Uncle!
    And Bren's suggestion for a price is good, too, if possibly a bit underrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    You need to type up a rate sheet. That way, when somebody says "You should..." you reply "Certainly. Here's my standard rates."

    And if they respond with "You're a big meanie poo-poo head," you respond with "And damn good at it, too."
    Quote Originally Posted by Bren View Post
    And once you do, you should double or quadruple the rate and print out a new sheet. Many people undervalue what they are worth in these sorts of situations. Engaging my Internet mind reading ability, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are one of those people.
    Both excellent ideas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bren View Post
    I meant Chirine. My Internet mind reading tells me that you would come up with a higher starting estimate than would Chirine.

    Given that part of the intent is to deter entitled cheap skates I'd at least go to $200/hour plus expenses. More if one can already garner a higher rate for non-RPG consulting. No reason to charge less for RPG work.
    I concur with your internet mind reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    Well, there's an old saying that every man has his price, and for a hundred and fifty clams per hour I'll put up with a lot.

    More to the point, though, if the people Chirine is talking about are the type of dingbats, wombats, and short-necked giraffes we used to encounter back in the old days, the mere mention of expecting them to actually cough up money will cause them to vanish faster than a politician's promises the day after the election.
    Well, you never know - but then, at least if they start paying, they'd be showing some respect instead of entitlement, right?
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    Chirine,

    I was curious about social status and rank in the Tsoly�ni Army.
    What would take precedent status or rank? If for example you had a Kasi from The Cloak of Azure Gems, and one from The Bolt of Flame who would "automatically" be considered to be the senior? I'm guessing that it would be the former.
    If, using the same example as above, the Kasi from The Bolt of Flame were a veteran and the Cloak of Azure Gems Kasi was a fresh new officer would the same deference still be in effect.
    Does this vary from legion to legion?
    When, if ever, is status subordinated to experience?
    I'm pretty sure I know what your answer will be, but inquiring minds want to know.

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