Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal - part II

My question is inspired by the plans to play a gladiator this week and the next. Of course, the swords are blunted, or we wouldn't be playing with friends.

So, Uncle, are there any organized crime groups "fixing" the Hirilakte arena matches?

If you look at the history of Rome, Persia, and other empires, "crime" meant either 1) stealing money that was going to the Empire or 2) disturbance of the peace. Both of these things tended to be stomped down very hard, which also meant that the locals would try to fix them before the Empire noticed.

Originally Posted by Zirunel

The pantheon of the "Two Brothers" Aridzo and (I think) Eshuel? is pretty big in the far northeast, like around Lake Parunal....I think it extends into Jannu too. I could be wrong about that, my sources aren't at hand. Chirine, is the two brothers cult a big deal closer to Tsolyanu, like say in Kilalammu?

I'm pretty sure you're right. It seems to be mostly to the north, in the small states. Might be - never saw it when we were there, but we were a little busy fighting the locals.

Originally Posted by AsenRG

My question is inspired by the plans to play a gladiator this week and the next. Of course, the swords are blunted, or we wouldn't be playing with friends.

So, Uncle, are there any organized crime groups "fixing" the Hirilakte arena matches?

We discussed this a while back; there is no 'organized crime', mostly because most of what we consider a crime is considered normal business practices.

Now, having said that, 'match fixing' is the province of the person or group putting on the event, and you can pretty much do anything for the right price...

Originally Posted by Greentongue

Speaking of "organized crime", I recall that there are assassin families, are there families that specialize in specific types of "crime"?

I assume there are "crimes" besides not paying the government its due and breaking the Concordant?

What are some of the "crimes" that a typical mid-westerner might not expect to be a crime?
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Yes; it's occupationally based. One normally can find out who handles what, and make a deal.

Not particularly; we had a discussion about this early on in the first part of this thread. A lot of what we consider 'crime' is not so regarded; one can't just murder somebody out of hand, as their clan will come back to yours and have you summarily dealt with. Most antisocial or 'criminal' action is handled internally by your clan, and usually pretty quickly and strongly. Inter-clan and temple things are dealt with on that level, as nobody wants the Imperium or other governments sticking their nose into one's private business.

Anything you can think of, besides the Big Four of treason, rebellion, tax evasion, and breaking the Concordat. It's one of the biggest culture shifts that players have to deal with - they can indeed do anything, but then they'll have to face the social repercussions. And the 'law enforcement' is going to come from family, clan, and temple, rather from the local rozzers. So, as an example, sharp practice in commerce is possible, but you'll never work in this town again...

Originally Posted by Hrugga

Uncle, I also would like to ask some related questions. As far as investigating crime goes. I would think that where a crime occured would determine who has jurisdiction(and of course taking into consideration who was the victim). So in the clanhouse, the clan elders would be involved. Crimes committed in the temple, the temple. What about crimes that occur in public? How would petty crimes be investigated, such as the pick pockets in the market(if at all formally)? So when and how would a "Lord Meren" get involved, and who would he work for(part of the OAL, or someone else)? What would he investigate?

And to expand on Greentongue's question, what are considered crimes in the Empire? How does this differ from our conception of jurisprudence?

Thank you in advance,

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Everybody has their own in-house investigators. So, lots of opportunities for a Lord Meren to be active, and also to possibly an OAL plant. Nothing is ever what it seems, and mayhem usually ensues.

See above. There is no 'legal code' per se, outside the Big Four; yes, there are criminal and civil courts, but nobody is happy to see officaldome get involved in their private affairs.

For example, when my alter ego killed the High Priest in Hekellu out of hand, he was acting as a senior priest of the Temple and not in his role as deputy Governor - my brief was for military affairs - and so the Imperium was not officially involved. I did tell the Governor, Lord Takodai, so as to keep him informed, and also paid a small amount of blood money to his clan - which they promptly donated to the Temple as an apology for their member's embezzlement. You can't just kill people on the street - see also Gronan's comment on this. Same social rules apply.

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

If you look at the history of Rome, Persia, and other empires, "crime" meant either 1) stealing money that was going to the Empire or 2) disturbance of the peace. Both of these things tended to be stomped down very hard, which also meant that the locals would try to fix them before the Empire noticed.

This. I think that this was one of the first things we had to learn out at Phil's, and possibly one of the more difficult.

Interestingly, I have a police officer coming to play in my campaign, and he's fascinated by the different policing and legal situation. Luckily, I happen to have some juicy crimes for him to investigate. Mayhem will ensue, as the Provost and his merry band investigate a nasty murder...

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Everybody has their own in-house investigators. So, lots of opportunities for a Lord Meren to be active, and also to possibly an OAL plant. Nothing is ever what it seems, and mayhem usually ensues.

See above. There is no 'legal code' per se, outside the Big Four; yes, there are criminal and civil courts, but nobody is happy to see officaldome get involved in their private affairs.

For example, when my alter ego killed the High Priest in Hekellu out of hand, he was acting as a senior priest of the Temple and not in his role as deputy Governor - my brief was for military affairs - and so the Imperium was not officially involved. I did tell the Governor, Lord Takodai, so as to keep him informed, and also paid a small amount of blood money to his clan - which they promptly donated to the Temple as an apology for their member's embezzlement. You can't just kill people on the street - see also Gronan's comment on this. Same social rules apply.

In other words, if I am walking through the market and I feel a tug at my belt. If the perpetrator is caught, he should be summarly thrashed and sent on his way...

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