Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal - part II

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Everything that teenagers out on the farm have done since Ur. Get into all sorts of trouble, and get rescued by their elders or the PCs that the elders have hired. (Mayhem ensues, as you might guess given the trouble that kids can get into, and more ensues when the hired help goes to the rescue.) I might note that teens tend to get into trouble in the village, and tend not to do so out where the local wildlife can get at them. That's normally fatal, given the creatures you'll find.

By clan, and the clan usually divides it further by family unit. So, yes to both communal and individual; families will work their own plot of clan land, and also help out with their other clan people and their lands. And they will also cooperate with the other clans, in communal village projects.

Not really; there are enough people, usually, so that while everybody has something to do there is some free time after the chores are done. The 'tech level' is early Rome / late Greek / Macedonian, if that helps.

Uncle,

If you please...some follow-up questions. Do individuals or the clan own the land in rural areas(or both)? Are certain areas owned by particular clans or individuals, or even the Imperium? Which system is closest historically to how rural life is on Tekumel(farm, manor, march, or something different)? Thank you.

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PS As always if the sourcebook addresses this please let me know. That way I do not make you my Tekumel crutch. It just popped into my head while reading another thread... ;0)

Originally Posted by Horu hiFa'asu

Happy 4th of July to those of you in the US.

A little cultural tidbit I've come across - at least for anyone with access to Netflix.
There is a photography show called 'Tales by Light'- in Season 2, Episode 5, the featured photographer goes to Varanasi in India where he explores and photographs the burning ghats at the edge of the river Ganges. He also interviews a 'death photographer' - someone who photographs the bodies and the funerals of those brought to Varanasi for a traditional cremation.

It is not for the faint for heart, they do no shy away from showing dead bodies (and burning dead bodies) at all. The show itself was fascinating - but I can not imagine what the smell must have been like there.

For those not familiar - Varanasi is a very picturesque city on the banks of the Ganges river - it was reputedly founded by the Hindu god Shiva and has probably been occupied for approx 4,000 years. It is the most sacred city in India to the Hindus - dying here is believed to guarantee salvation.

Sounds very interesting.
Thanks for the tip. Will look this up.

Originally Posted by Hrugga

Uncle,

If you please...some follow-up questions. Do individuals or the clan own the land in rural areas(or both)? Are certain areas owned by particular clans or individuals, or even the Imperium? Which system is closest historically to how rural life is on Tekumel(farm, manor, march, or something different)? Thank you.

H:0)

PS As always if the sourcebook addresses this please let me know. That way I do not make you my Tekumel crutch. It just popped into my head while reading another thread... ;0)

Chirine will say a bit more, I'm sure, but the way to start thinking about this issue is to keep in mind that, in Tsolyanu, everything belongs to the Empire; everything, including land. A representation of the Seal of Tsolyanu is present in all clan houses, partly to remind people of that inescapable, unarguable fact. In that regard, clans are therefore only managers of the Empire's property. As a result, individuals don't own anything. It's all borrowed from or lent by the clan for the individual to look good (figuratively and/or literally) and thus, by extension, to make the clan look good (fig. and lit.).

The Sourcebook has detailed notes about this issue (on page 65 of the "Tekumel Sourcebook, Tita's House of Games, 2000" edition, or on page 32 of the "Tekumel Sourcebook, Book II, Tita's House of Games, 2002" edition).

Originally Posted by Neshm hiKumala

Chirine will say a bit more, I'm sure, but the way to start thinking about this issue is to keep in mind that, in Tsolyanu, everything belongs to the Empire; everything, including land. A representation of the Seal of Tsolyanu is present in all clan houses, partly to remind people of that inescapable, unarguable fact. In that regard, clans are therefore only managers of the Empire's property. As a result, individuals don't own anything. It's all borrowed from or lent by the clan for the individual to look good (figuratively and/or literally) and thus, by extension, to make the clan look good (fig. and lit.).

The Sourcebook has detailed notes about this issue (on page 65 of the "Tekumel Sourcebook, Tita's House of Games, 2000" edition, or on page 32 of the "Tekumel Sourcebook, Book II, Tita's House of Games, 2002" edition).

Ahhh. Thank you Lord Neshm. I will break out my copy...It is under a couple of other tomes!!!

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Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Yes, it's in the Sourcebook, as our friend comments. The Imperium owns everything, period; however, it is also graciously pleased to allow it's loyal and trustworthy subjects to administer the lands and property for it, as it's got other things to worry about. So, in practice, the various clans and temples - and some legions - 'own' land and property by ancient leases and grants, on the assumption that they will pay the Imperium a rental / taxes for the real estate. The Imperium graciously collects the money or services due, and generally keeps it's hands off the property unless the 'renter' really screws up - tax evasion, rebellion, treason, the usual reasons for removing somebody. So, what you get is effectively the Mughal system of land tenure; lands run by various groups and some - like the frontier marches - run directly by the Imperium, which is why I was titled 'Warden of the Chagairi Marches' for a while.

Again, the difference between theory and practice, and the Imperium is nothing if not practical...

Practial. Seems like a good way to keep things in "order". Thank you Uncle.

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