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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Opal View Post
    Ah, I have a collection of these fine hatchets. The crimson color of the bronze is from the alloy balance: Copper 16 parts, Gold 1 part, Tin 3 parts. The darker shades come from the Northwest, where I believe their tin supply has some other trace elements that make the bronze harder and darker.

    Let me tell you, the analysis was quite tricky having to do it in the back of a chlen-cart.

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    Yep; there's a drawing of it in "Ebon Bindings".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Yep; there's a drawing of it in "Ebon Bindings".
    Yes indeed, all the ceremonial daggers are illustrated there. Thanks for pointing this out.

    But this is also where it's possible to note some discrepancies:

    In the book of Ebon Bindings, that Vim�hla ceremonial dagger is called the "tetkum�", whereas in the Mitl�nya, it's the "tetk�mne"; different spelling and slightly different pronunciation.

    Also, although the Mitl�nya doesn't describe what sort of metals are used in making that weapon, the Book of Ebon Bindings states that it's made of iron and that its hilt if made of red gold (incidentally set with rubies, with a handle wrapped in red-dyed human skin).

    So which version is correct? I'd go with the Mitl�nya just because it's more recent, but in the end it just doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Opal View Post
    Ah, I have a collection of these fine hatchets. The crimson color of the bronze is from the alloy balance: Copper 16 parts, Gold 1 part, Tin 3 parts. The darker shades come from the Northwest, where I believe their tin supply has some other trace elements that make the bronze harder and darker.

    Let me tell you, the analysis was quite tricky having to do it in the back of a chlen-cart.

    - Shone hiTracti, Five Eyes Grey
    Yes, Shone hiTracti has always been good at working in the worst of conditions, in the back of a chlen-cart here, or, as I remember from the last time we met, sitting in cramped quarters in Penom's stultifying heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neshm hiKumala View Post
    Yes indeed, all the ceremonial daggers are illustrated there. Thanks for pointing this out.

    But this is also where it's possible to note some discrepancies:

    In the book of Ebon Bindings, that Vim�hla ceremonial dagger is called the "tetkum�", whereas in the Mitl�nya, it's the "tetk�mne"; different spelling and slightly different pronunciation.

    Also, although the Mitl�nya doesn't describe what sort of metals are used in making that weapon, the Book of Ebon Bindings states that it's made of iron and that its hilt if made of red gold (incidentally set with rubies, with a handle wrapped in red-dyed human skin).

    So which version is correct? I'd go with the Mitl�nya just because it's more recent, but in the end it just doesn't matter.
    It could be due to the writer of the text, Ts�mel Qur�n hiK�tkolel, High Ritual Priest of the temple of Lord Ks�rul in B�y S� and the dialect differences of Tsoly�ni in the East and West. Or of his proofreaders. Maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    It could be due to the writer of the text, Ts�mel Qur�n hiK�tkolel, High Ritual Priest of the temple of Lord Ks�rul in B�y S� and the dialect differences of Tsoly�ni in the East and West. Or of his proofreaders. Maybe...
    Clearly a transcription error by a bored and lazy scribe. Got distracted by the sounds of a ruckus in the marketplace coming through the window of the scriptorium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bconsidine View Post
    Clearly a transcription error by a bored and lazy scribe. Got distracted by the sounds of a ruckus in the marketplace coming through the window of the scriptorium.

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    Yes, mayhem ensues!!! Everywhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neshm hiKumala View Post
    Also, although the Mitl�nya doesn't describe what sort of metals are used in making that weapon, the Book of Ebon Bindings states that it's made of iron and that its hilt if made of red gold (incidentally set with rubies, with a handle wrapped in red-dyed human skin).
    Oh, dear.

    Friend Neshm, I implore you to fully research the provenance of your copy of the Book. My copy, of the hiAfanas recension, clearly states that the blade is red gold (actually the bronze I mentioned above) and the handle is of ironwood construction. While Lord Vimhula is of warlike and ghastly mein, he still eschews black iron in His services. A red metal is his favorite, although not the pure copper of Lord Sarku.

    (They always seem pretty cranky when near each other, glaring at each other across the meeting hall.)

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    Is there a standard tithe to the Temples? I mean if you find Standard Chest of Gold Coins- Good for All Debts Public and Private, the imperial tax man gets his cut and the clan gets their cut. How much should you give your Temple? I know donations are "voluntary" but what is the standard if you will? And does that change if you are a priest/priestess, meaning do they expect you to donate more?

    For example if you roll into town with 1000 kaitars, how much goes where and how much do you end up with?

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    How likely is stumbling on "an abandoned temple" in the "wilderness"?

    Is there always someone using one and how long can be expected before they find out that it has been "looted"?

    I assume that a "forgotten tomb" would be more likely but how much more?
    Would the locals know about these even if it is not common knowledge?
    Same question about how long before someone notices it has been disturbed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Andy View Post
    Is there a standard tithe to the Temples? I mean if you find Standard Chest of Gold Coins- Good for All Debts Public and Private, the imperial tax man gets his cut and the clan gets their cut. How much should you give your Temple? I know donations are "voluntary" but what is the standard if you will? And does that change if you are a priest/priestess, meaning do they expect you to donate more?

    For example if you roll into town with 1000 kaitars, how much goes where and how much do you end up with?
    Good question! Imperial tax is a flat 1% of the gross, so that's K10 gone. The richer / higher social status one is, the more one is assumed to be willing to pay - it's 'noble action' at work. So, for me - for example - I'd donate 10% to my clan(s) for K100; being a high-level sorcerer, another 10% to my temple for another K100, so we're down K210. Figure assorted gifts and inducements for another K90, and I'd expect to net about K700 off the treasure chest. A poor lower level person would probably pay about the same to their clan, but about a quarter of what I'd pay to their temple. So, figure they'd get to keep K800 to K900, which would make them a fine upstanding and prosperous citizen of the Imperium and well-respected amongst their peers. 'Overhead costs are actually pretty low, so one could live nicely on this sum for a year at this lower level of society. Up in the circles in which the Glorious General and I travel, this is about a month's worth of expenses. (We each have families and several thousand mouths to feed.)

    Does this help?

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