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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    I agree about the 'rules light', but I think a Braunstein would not work for this event, as it's intended to be an introduction to RPGs for novices. Braunsteins work best with people who have some game play experience, as they can get into the flow of the game play a lot easier. The plot stays the same, it's just that I'll be doing most of the heavy lifting.
    Uncle I see your point. I remember when I played EPT with my children(15 and 11years old) for the first time; Imagine a Pe Choi, who said absolutely nothing!!! The poor guy did find the secret rooms though!!! So yeah, Lord Chirine can do the heavy lifting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Great suggestions! Thank you! I've never seen either "Savage Worlds" or "Zenobia", but I shall give them a look.
    Zenobia is easier to find if you know that it's published by "Zozer Games", so here's the link.
    (As an aside, I really like...pretty much all of the Zozer Games.
    Savage Worlds really, really wasn't my best suggestion to begin with. See below.
    But Mythras Imperative (the quickstart) is still good, and worth taking a look at.

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    Be careful when evaluating Savage Worlds. It is a very "gamest" system that can play very differently depending on who is running it.
    There are a lot of "levers" that can be used to effect play that takes some time to adjust to if you have not been exposed to them.
    The free version barely mentions these "levers" and can seem somewhat boring.
    There is a Combat Survival Guide that mentions many of them and was officially released after being created by a player.
    Bennies are a huge way to influence the flow of the game and its feel.

    I was working on a Tekumel variant using the Savage Worlds rules but ran out of steam.
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    All of this is why I suggested "Mythras+the wikipedia version of Barsoom" as a variant instead of Savage Worlds (and mentioned that SW is "an acquired taste").

    Though, on second thought, scratch Savage Worlds from the list of suggestions. There's a system called Under the Moons of Zoon which is free, relatively light and created from the get-go to run Swords and Planet. What more can one want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrugga View Post
    Uncle I see your point. I remember when I played EPT with my children(15 and 11years old) for the first time; Imagine a Pe Choi, who said absolutely nothing!!! The poor guy did find the secret rooms though!!! So yeah, Lord Chirine can do the heavy lifting...

    H:0)
    Yep. These are all going to be very simple, very basic scenarios that will be very light on game mechanics / 'crunch' and long on world setting / 'fluff'. I'll be playing all the bit parts, and giving the major roles to the people at the table. We'll see what happens, I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsenRG View Post
    Zenobia is easier to find if you know that it's published by "Zozer Games", so here's the link.
    (As an aside, I really like...pretty much all of the Zozer Games.
    Savage Worlds really, really wasn't my best suggestion to begin with. See below.
    But Mythras Imperative (the quickstart) is still good, and worth taking a look at.

    All of this is why I suggested "Mythras+the wikipedia version of Barsoom" as a variant instead of Savage Worlds (and mentioned that SW is "an acquired taste").

    Though, on second thought, scratch Savage Worlds from the list of suggestions. There's a system called Under the Moons of Zoon which is free, relatively light and created from the get-go to run Swords and Planet. What more can one want?
    For Helium!
    Right; got it. Looked at Zenobia, and liked it. I'm still looking at SW, and I'll take your advice. Will look at "Moons", too. Thanks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsenRG View Post
    There's a system called Under the Moons of Zoon which is free, relatively light and created from the get-go to run Swords and Planet. What more can one want?
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    Never heard of Moons before but I have to say it looks very nicely-done. Very trope-a-licious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya View Post
    When is the event?

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    Saturday, June 17th, from store open at 10:00 am to close at 9:00 pm, although if people want they'll let games run later then that - for the DLA Day, they went until midnight. I'm getting the day before off from work, so I'll have time to pack and load; I'm doing what I did at Gary Con, and I thik folks will enjoy that.

    Not taking any actual miniatures, just cardboard stand-ups. I'd love to use my Dark Fable and Bronze Age figures, but the store has gotten complaints from people about similar Reaper and Dark Sword figures - I'm trying not to step on anybody's toes. So, my beloved XVIII Dynasty, Tharks, and Red Martians would have to wait until after the place gets cleared curfew, and probably not even then. Third and Fifth Daughters offered to cut tiny strips of black tape to make modesty bars for all the figures, but I politely declined their kind offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Saturday, June 17th, from store open at 10:00 am to close at 9:00 pm, although if people want they'll let games run later then that - for the DLA Day, they went until midnight. I'm getting the day before off from work, so I'll have time to pack and load; I'm doing what I did at Gary Con, and I thik folks will enjoy that.

    Not taking any actual miniatures, just cardboard stand-ups. I'd love to use my Dark Fable and Bronze Age figures, but the store has gotten complaints from people about similar Reaper and Dark Sword figures - I'm trying not to step on anybody's toes. So, my beloved XVIII Dynasty, Tharks, and Red Martians would have to wait until after the place gets cleared curfew, and probably not even then. Third and Fifth Daughters offered to cut tiny strips of black tape to make modesty bars for all the figures, but I politely declined their kind offer.

    Sigh.
    fig leaves? really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirunel View Post
    fig leaves? really?
    Yes, really; the girls and the Missus approve any figures that I buy - if they don't like them, we don"t get them. They tend to look for what the Missus calls 'charm'; if the figures make her smile, they have 'charm'. We look for use in the kind of games we like, and we will overlook strict historical accuracy fo a figure that looks good on the table and adds to our adventures. The ladies are, both individually and collectively, not easy to offend or disconcert; they strongly approve of the figures we buy, as what we get is well within the cultures and contexts of the settings they are for. There are some lines of miniatures that we do not buy, and which we find offensive. I don't like them, and will not paint them; I've turned down a paying commission or two over the years, and gently explained to the balked customer why we won't do the job for them.

    I've known the owner of the FLGS for decades, and I like and respect him and his staff a lot. They like my figures and do not have an issue with them, but the problem that they've run into with some items with some lines is that the shop gets complaints from 'concerned citizens' over the state of undress of the miniature figures. (They have also fielded complaints over people dressed in costumes from various comics, for that matter.) The store has to worry about this, as simply ignoring the complainer has resulted in them going and complaining to the city council. An investigation results, which has always exonerated the store from any wrong-doing, but does take up time, energy, and resources that everyone could have been using more usefully.

    In fairness to everyone concerned, there seems to be no issue with the comics that are on display and for sale. The store has not gotten any complaints over the subject material in these - they do keep the more mature materials up out of reach of small children, which I think is a good idea - and they find all of this just as inconsistent as you and I might also.

    The girls find all this very odd, perhaps from living in Europe for most of their lives, and made their offer as a sarcastic comment on the state of affairs here in America; they love our miniatures, and all five daughters (and people who game here) have had no issues with the miniatures over the years. In order to avoid any issues, I have a firm NC-17 rule about guests, and I enforce it; I don't particularly like it, but that's life in America at the moment. People seem to be very easy to offend, these days, and I've gotten grief from all ends of the spectrum for what I game and how I game it. So, to keep the FLGS (or any other event organizer, for that matter) out of hot water, no metal on the table at public events anymore.

    The Amarna wall paintings are offensive, ERB is offensive, Frank Frazetta is offensive, and the list goes on and on and on. It baffles me, it really does, but then I've been told that I'm "not socially aware" and "out of touch with the political realities of the hobby".

    So, I keep to myself, do my figures as I like, run my games for a select few, and tell my stories when I have the chance. Makes it a lot quieter, hereabouts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zirunel View Post
    Never heard of Moons before but I have to say it looks very nicely-done. Very trope-a-licious
    I'm glad to contribute to spreading the love for this game!

    Quote Originally Posted by chirine ba kal View Post
    Yes, really; the girls and the Missus approve any figures that I buy - if they don't like them, we don"t get them. They tend to look for what the Missus calls 'charm'; if the figures make her smile, they have 'charm'. We look for use in the kind of games we like, and we will overlook strict historical accuracy fo a figure that looks good on the table and adds to our adventures. The ladies are, both individually and collectively, not easy to offend or disconcert; they strongly approve of the figures we buy, as what we get is well within the cultures and contexts of the settings they are for. There are some lines of miniatures that we do not buy, and which we find offensive. I don't like them, and will not paint them; I've turned down a paying commission or two over the years, and gently explained to the balked customer why we won't do the job for them.
    Uncle, which are the lines you find offensive? Please, PM me with the names - just mentioning them in a thread as popular as yours would actually help them (improving the odds of finding them with search engines).

    I've known the owner of the FLGS for decades, and I like and respect him and his staff a lot. They like my figures and do not have an issue with them, but the problem that they've run into with some items with some lines is that the shop gets complaints from 'concerned citizens' over the state of undress of the miniature figures. (They have also fielded complaints over people dressed in costumes from various comics, for that matter.) The store has to worry about this, as simply ignoring the complainer has resulted in them going and complaining to the city council. An investigation results, which has always exonerated the store from any wrong-doing, but does take up time, energy, and resources that everyone could have been using more usefully.

    In fairness to everyone concerned, there seems to be no issue with the comics that are on display and for sale. The store has not gotten any complaints over the subject material in these - they do keep the more mature materials up out of reach of small children, which I think is a good idea - and they find all of this just as inconsistent as you and I might also.

    The girls find all this very odd, perhaps from living in Europe for most of their lives, and made their offer as a sarcastic comment on the state of affairs here in America; they love our miniatures, and all five daughters (and people who game here) have had no issues with the miniatures over the years. In order to avoid any issues, I have a firm NC-17 rule about guests, and I enforce it; I don't particularly like it, but that's life in America at the moment. People seem to be very easy to offend, these days, and I've gotten grief from all ends of the spectrum for what I game and how I game it. So, to keep the FLGS (or any other event organizer, for that matter) out of hot water, no metal on the table at public events anymore.
    I don't even think it's about Europe - it's about your daughters being normal people and not stuck-up self-righteous prudes. Please note that "righteous" and "self-righteous" are different words.

    The Amarna wall paintings are offensive, ERB is offensive, Frank Frazetta is offensive, and the list goes on and on and on. It baffles me, it really does, but then I've been told that I'm "not socially aware" and "out of touch with the political realities of the hobby".
    It baffles me as well. That's why I've decided, lately, to support only game lines that are found offensive, or at least have the potential.
    (Of course, I was already doing that).

    So, I keep to myself, do my figures as I like, run my games for a select few, and tell my stories when I have the chance. Makes it a lot quieter, hereabouts...
    Same here, and I like peace and quiet!
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