Thread: Questioning chirine ba kal - part II

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

It's all about mixing gamer / fannish politics with real-world politics, and using Phil and his creation as a club to beat up people that one does not agree with.

I understand that, Uncle. What one wonders is how much clout in real-world politics could be achieved by controlling gamer politics, given that it's usually more interested in areas which make more money...

I don't associate with people like that, which is why I will be skipping the Blackmoor game this Sunday being run by Robert the Bald, one of the original players. I've had it with the crap over who did what fifty years ago, and who's got the biggest pile of old D&D stuff.

I agree, it's sad.

I'd call them 'an apprentice', but yes, it's wonderful.

An apprentice it shall be, then. Whatever the Respectable Teacher says!

Agreed.

This, too!

And thank you for the precis of the FATE game - makes a lot more sense then what I was seeing in the hard-bound books I was shown.

You're welcome, Uncle! I can do the same for most games I've played, including presumably "heavy and crunchy" ones.
About the only games where I can't do the same, are from D&D3+ and its derivatives.

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

We'd been expecting to be able to buy a new car when the Missus get the settlement from her parents' estate - they are getting on in years, and want to do this now, rather then later - so we'd been hoping to get another year out of the van. After we get the new car, the van would retire to 'stand-by' status, and be the cargo hauler for the occasional event we might be involved with. Cost today was $750, with $200 for the rental car we've been using for most of the week, which was a lot less then what we'd been expecting to pay. So, we're happy.

Yep; or '00', as we used to do back in the day.

It's all good when it ends well, and this sounds like it ended well.

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

Also known as "big fish in small pond."

I understand, Glorious General - but see above about the sources of one's misunderstanding!

My Jedi powers tell me that that's not about EPT, but rather "Gygax vs Arneson." And I couldn't agree more... that is getting very, very old.

Sound like the people who still keep debating whether a very close battle between two martial artists, who fought about 250 years ago, was a draw!

Originally Posted by chirine ba kal

Agreed; there are a lot of minnows who desperately want to be crappies. Pun intended.

Also agreed; I wouldn't touch it, after the latest boiling-of-the-pot on various websites and forums. I'm far more likely to throw a 'Chirine Con', with the motto "It's My Party And I'll Snub Who I Want To" - courtesy of the Harvard Lampoon, and one Mr. Bugger of Bug End, The Sty, Lower-middle Earth.

Now, THAT, I'd help with!

Originally Posted by Zirunel

Is it a Tekumel-ish blog?

I was wondering "is it approved by the Foundation", I'll admit!

Originally Posted by altfritz

I found a blog just the other day wherein it was claimed that EPT was published just before D&D. Total bullocks of course, but I didn't try to argue with the guy.

Oh? Really? What a load of nonsense. Phil didn't even get to the Twin Cities until 1973. and didn't meet Dave Arneson until later that year. The historical documentation doesn't tally with the blogger's assumption. The Tekumel Foundation was trying to push the notion of Gary and Dave stealing the idea of RPGs from Phil in order to publish D&D, and I had to point out that there's just no documentation or information to support this notion. Near as I can make out, it's all Gronan's fault for introducing Phil to D&D in his Ram's Horn Campaign in the summer / fall of '73. From there, Dave found out about Tekumel, told Gary, and they agreed that it would make a viable product.

Originally Posted by Zirunel

Transferred over from another thread...

Cool, I didn't know there were two red editions, or two black ones for that matter.

So a few questions:

The AGI black ones were small format, like the Imperium edition?

Did they have that textured applied gold ornament like the red ones?

The AGI red ones with the leftover covers, do they still indicate AGI as the publisher? And do you remember how many copies were bound with those leftover red covers?

Imperium - red, small format
AGI - black, small format
Tekumel Games - red, small format
TOME - black, large format.

Yes; we were working from the original printing plates, so had to use the same format.

Yes.

No. They all say 'Tekumel Games' on them. About 120 copies, from the records on file.

From AsenRG:

I understand that, Uncle. What one wonders is how much clout in real-world politics could be achieved by controlling gamer politics, given that it's usually more interested in areas which make more money...


It's all about prestige, status, and identity. People feel important because they have their picture taken with an important person, or claim that because they were the 'special friend' of somebody famous then they are 'special' and 'important' people.

I agree, it's sad.

Yep. The LGBTQ+ aspect is particulaly depressing, as Tekumel is actually pretty LGBTQ+ friendly; the notion that Phil actively persecuted gay people in his campaign or because he was a devout Muslim is utter nonsense. Ask Gronan; he was there.

An apprentice it shall be, then. Whatever the Respectable Teacher says!

I dunno; I think it just fits better to the situation.

You're welcome, Uncle! I can do the same for most games I've played, including presumably "heavy and crunchy" ones.
About the only games where I can't do the same, are from D&D3+ and its derivatives.

Thank you - I'm much more into setting then crunch, but I'll keep it in mind.

It's all good when it ends well, and this sounds like it ended well.

Yep; we paid about $500 less then what we had expected, and the van is back. Just in time; I took delivery of ten large storage bins - like the wooden ammunition chests Gronan and I used to tote around for the 'Akbar And Jeff Road Show' - and they fit the van like they were made for it. A whole bunch of stuff has really come together in the past couple of weeks, and I am really hyped about getting back into harness!

Originally Posted by Gronan of Simmerya

Now, THAT, I'd help with!

Great! The idea, such as it is, would be to have an open house here at the old barn for a while, and then move up a notch into someplace like FFG's Event Center. We did something like this a few years back, and it was astonishingly successful - we had guests in from all over, and as far away as Florida. All of the logistical elements to make this possible have now all slid into place, and we can host a pretty good crowd out of in-house assets. One thing I've learned - or had engraved on my heart in blood - is that I need to have all of the assets required for an event in-hand before the event; like with my supplying all of the figures, scenery, rules, etc. for game I've found that I simply can't reply on people (with some exceptions, of course!) to show up on time or on budget for things.

So, starting very small and intimate, and growing over time to small and intimate. I has a plan, and I is following it...